ZAR for Kostin 🤷‍♂️

I think a 3rd. This dude goes hot and cold and is very inconsistent. I'm doubtful he is what the Blues need.

What comes to my mind as a comparable is Janmark at deadline last year.

Similar in ppg, games played, playoffs experience and salary

2nd+3rd which was the price paid by Vegas still seems a lot, but MTL could be asking for that

Lehkonen 50% + Hoffman for Schenn

Interesting, yeah that makes sense. I guess I overvalue Lehkonen.

Ewwww Hoffman, and they’re not trading Schenn even though he’s kinda bad and has a brutal contract. NTC and a big part of the leadership.

would you rather have toffoli instead of hoffman?

I will say, the blues don’t need him to score at all though. Between Barbashev, Kyrou, Tarasenko and some others there’s already a bunch of “all offense” forwards. Lehkonen has a great stick and can forecheck well, that’ll be valuable come playoffs

Ehh

Inconsistent in production perhaps, but he's one of the most reliable defensive forwards in the league.



Personally I don't believe Montreal should trade him for a pick, period. I'd consider moving him for a promising C or RD prospect. Otherwise he's a good player whether you are competing or rebuilding, as he takes a lot of pressure and responsibility off the offensive lines and prospects, so it's just as worthwhile to keep him.

ZAR imo is better than Lehkonen.

Janmark was also better than Lehkonen when traded. That was an overpay too.

Teams don't move promising specs for depth guys. His price is somewhere between a 2nd and 3rd. Any more and it's a fleece.
Remember, it was just last year that this guy was largely viewed as a cap dump.

Reminder that the Blues let Hoffman walk. Schenn means way more to them in value and role than both of these habs.

what about toffoli?

Cap dump by who? I agree that a 2nd (which would be a late 2nd) is fair. A pick simply doesn't entice me to move him. It would have to be a player I had an eye on already who I felt was a good fit moving forward.

You're unlikely to get a better winger in trade or by drafting in the 2nd round, so you're downgrading by trading him for either. With a C or RD it at least opens up a lateral move, but we need those players to arrive soon. That means they have to already be showing progression as a pro.

Anything other than a carefully selected piece in return, keep him.

We have a squadron of defensive forwards better than him already. And no cap for this anyway.




Hahahaha what???

yeah you have decent bottom feeder but no one like lehky ... Byron and lehkonen on the same pk is first among the league just to say ....

Like who? Besides Buchnevich and ROR, all of our best F’s are offense leaning. I like Joshua, but he probably won’t play when everyone’s healthy. Sundqvist I guess, but he hasn’t exactly been that good this year. The Blues never really replaced the defense they got from Schwartz and even really going back to Steen

This is a deep team, I hear all the time about the Jets being a deep offensive team that can roll 4 lines and get scoring from all 4 lines blah blah and I just don't see it, this Blues team has that.

What??? O'Reilly, Sundqvist, Bozak, Buch, Barby, etc etc. Our PK has killed off like 20 straight and has been in the top 7-8 all season long.

And umm, the Habs' PK is like 29th in the league, dude.




First of all, Sunny has been excellent defensively AND he's just back from a long layoff anyway. Then there's Saad, Schenn, Bozak, and yes Barby, too. Even Tarasenko has been making a lot of great D plays, the guy is actually first among our forwards in blocked shots by a mile. Our forwards can play excellent defense, it's just a matter of being consistent with it, which they have done lately.

Frankly, at least half our "defensive" problems aren't even related to defense at all. It's turning the puck over in the wrong places.

Just because a team doesn't have a certain player type doesn't mean they will vigorously overpay to get it. It wasn't that long ago that the Blues had the best fourth line in the league. Barbashev's offense has finally caught up but he still has a defensive game like Lehkonen's.

If I'm the Blues, I'm directing my assets this deadline at getting a true top 4 LHD. That's the only glaring hole that I see.

Our PK is good, but please tell me you didn’t just say Barbashev, Schenn and Saad are good defensively. Barbashev especially is brutal. But yes, recent team defensive play has been very encouraging, I’d attribute a decent amount to strength of schedule, but still.

That's just asset redistribution. The Blues have heaps of wingers... by moving Schenn, they have an even more glaring hole down the middle. Toffoli peaked last year and is very unlikely to do that again. Blues need schenn more.

In the past I remember Barbashev being a very solid defensive 4C and Saad was known for his two way game. There was a period of time on here, about 2 years ago, where I was making AGMs left and right trying to get Barby on Vancouver thinking that his offensive game busted but that he could still be a reliable 3C. I think Saad has started leaning a bit more offensive minded with time, and evidently Barbashev's role was re-defined... but those are roles and deployment. These guys can play defensively if they are instructed to play that way, but clearly the team's structure is no longer deploying them that way.

Yeah Barbashev’s defensive reputation is so weird. He can PK very nicely, but he’s bottom 5th percentile defensively each of the past three seasons in 5v5 defense. Just bleeds chances against due to bad turnovers and subpar coverage. Big reason he’s found success this year is that he’s deployed offensively, as he should be. Absolutely killing it with his creativity passing. Saad is just pretty average. Turnover issues and not someone I’d trust in a matchup game. I feel like everyone who is t flashy is automatically pegged as strong defensively