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Chychrun

Date de création initiale: 27 déc. 2021
Publié: 27 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Golden Knights de Vegas
Explications
They were in on Eichel, Stone, Pacioretty, etc…
Why not Chychrun?

I also don’t care if we lose all of those guys that I sent down on waivers. They’ve served their purpose but now it’s time to go.

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VGK
  1. 2023 3e round pick (EDM)
  2. 2022 2e round pick (EDM)
  3. 2022 7e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Martinez, Alec
Détails additionnels:
I absolutely hate Martinez’s deal. I’ve been looking for the golden knights to move him for a while, and if they get Chychrun, it gives them the perfect reason
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VGK
  1. Chychrun, Jakob
ARI
  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. Røndbjerg, Jonas
  3. Miromanov, Daniil
  4. 2022 2e round pick (EDM)
  5. 2023 1e round pick (VGK)
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VGK
  1. Hájek, Libor
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
NYR
  1. McNabb, Brayden
  2. Smith, Reilly
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $80 774 939 $285 772 $850 000 $725 061 $
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Pacioretty, Max
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Eichel, Jack
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Stone, Mark
9 500 000 $
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Marchessault, Jonathan
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Karlsson, William
5 900 000 $
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Dadonov, Evgeni
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Carrier, William
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Howden, Brett
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Kolesar, Keegan
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Chychrun, Jakob
4 600 000 $
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Pietrangelo, Alex
8 800 000 $
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Lehner, Robin
5 000 000 $
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Theodore, Shea
5 200 000 $
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Coghlan, Dylan
762 500 $
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Brossoit, Laurent
2 325 000 $
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Hague, Nicolas
791 667 $
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Whitecloud, Zach
725 000 $
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Kravtsov, Vitali
925 000 $
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Bischoff, Jake
716 667 $
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27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 9
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Yeah, you're good.
27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 12
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Quality over quantity. This is a nonsense offer.
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27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 14
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Quality over quantity. This is a nonsense offer.

Ok. How bout this revision?
27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 14
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Problem with Martinez, he has 16 no trade list. Also no team on his trade list has cap and would want him without sending cap to Vegas. Yea, I agree that was an iffy resigning after a career year.
27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 21
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Problem with Martinez, he has 16 no trade list. Also no team on his trade list has cap and would want him without sending cap to Vegas. Yea, I agree that was an iffy resigning after a career year.

Absolutely agree. When they traded Fleury, I thought that they were going to use that cap space well. Nope! They resigned Martinez and traded for Dadonov. They’re in this mess because they failed to use cap space effectively in the off-season.
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27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 26
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The 1st is the only piece of interest. Not even close.
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27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 27
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Absolutely agree. When they traded Fleury, I thought that they were going to use that cap space well. Nope! They resigned Martinez and traded for Dadonov. They’re in this mess because they failed to use cap space effectively in the off-season.


In a cap strapped league, the most important member of a team is the GM. Too often players get paid in their last contract for what they are going to do in their "waning" year. Even if Martinez contract is "fair", it just left Vegas with less flexibility. And why was Dadonov obtained....now that's a head scratcher, especially for 5m next season
27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 28
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In a cap strapped league, the most important member of a team is the GM. Too often players get paid in their last contract for what they are going to do in their "waning" year. Even if Martinez contract is "fair", it just left Vegas with less flexibility. And why was Dadonov obtained....now that's a head scratcher, especially for 5m next season

…and a modified NTC. I have scratched my head so many times that it’s bleeding
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27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 34
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Ok. How bout this revision?


How about including someone of value?

Karlsson, Stephenson, Theodore? You're giving leftover garbage.
27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 35
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…and a modified NTC. I have scratched my head so many times that it’s bleeding


Imagine the blood on my head, when the Leafs went through 10 years of total incompetence from their GMs....Ferguson, Burke and Nonis. Despite spending to the cap, and having a high priced executives one the pay roll....lousy teams, because the GMs didn't know "value" of players in cap league. Never mind a legacy of poor drafting.
Even under Lou and Dubas, there were cap mistakes that appear to limit the Leafs to make a final push to become true contenders to get out of the Atlantic division.
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How about including someone of value?

Karlsson, Stephenson, Theodore? You're giving leftover garbage.

1. Why would Arizona be interested in any of those guys? None of them fit their timeline and the best they’d be able to do is flip them at the deadline.
2. Vegas isn’t going to trade any of them unless they have to. Think AR-15 to their head kind of deal.
3. I’ll admit Sven Baertschi sucks. But Daniil Miromanov is scoring nearly a PPG in the AHL as a defenseman and Rondbjerg is also around PPG. Neither have made a huge impact at the NHL level, but both have pretty good potential. Arizona would at least consider picking them up.
27 déc. 2021 à 10 h 53
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1. Why would Arizona be interested in any of those guys? None of them fit their timeline and the best they’d be able to do is flip them at the deadline.
2. Vegas isn’t going to trade any of them unless they have to. Think AR-15 to their head kind of deal.
3. I’ll admit Sven Baertschi sucks. But Daniil Miromanov is scoring nearly a PPG in the AHL as a defenseman and Rondbjerg is also around PPG. Neither have made a huge impact at the NHL level, but both have pretty good potential. Arizona would at least consider picking them up.


Okay, well, it's clear you don't understand value. No point in continuing here.

1) Why wouldnt Arizona be interested in 27/28 year old 1C.....hmmm?
2) Because they're getting a young top flight Dman.....hmmm?
3) Next.
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Okay, well, it's clear you don't understand value. No point in continuing here.

1) Why wouldnt Arizona be interested in 27/28 year old 1C.....hmmm?
2) Because they're getting a young top flight Dman.....hmmm?
3) Next.

1. Yotes have Schmaltz for next 5 years. He may not be a #1 center, but his contract is prohibitive.
2. Even though Stephenson and Theodore lack NTCs (Karlsson is a no-go because of his), Theodore is a ridiculous ask (aside from 1 for 1, which is pointless for Vegas) and Stephenson gives them the center depth they’ve needed for a long time.
3. Thanks for your support.
27 déc. 2021 à 11 h 3
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if they’re adding kravtsov here feels like the only competitive package they could put together for chychrun would be kravstov, brisson, and someone like chayka and a first. they really don’t have any top guys so it would have to be a quantity situation with the top guys they’ve got left
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Quoting: JeffSkinnerFan53
1. Yotes have Schmaltz for next 5 years. He may not be a #1 center, but his contract is prohibitive.
2. Even though Stephenson and Theodore lack NTCs (Karlsson is a no-go because of his), Theodore is a ridiculous ask (aside from 1 for 1, which is pointless for Vegas) and Stephenson gives them the center depth they’ve needed for a long time.
3. Thanks for your support.


Correct, so you've proven that this is a nonsense offer since Vegas doesnt want or cannot give what it takes to get and ARZ is not going to take garbage for their cornerstone Dman.
27 déc. 2021 à 12 h 40
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Correct, so you've proven that this is a nonsense offer since Vegas doesnt want or cannot give what it takes to get and ARZ is not going to take garbage for their cornerstone Dman.

I’ve done no such thing. If need be, VGK adds their other 2nd and removes Baertschi, but Miromanov and Rondbjorg have a reasonably high amount of value.
27 déc. 2021 à 12 h 42
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Quoting: JeffSkinnerFan53
I’ve done no such thing. If need be, VGK adds their other 2nd and removes Baertschi, but Miromanov and Rondbjorg have a reasonably high amount of value.


haha ARZ isn't trading their best player for dudes who haven't stepped into the NHL...please get a grip on reality.
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haha ARZ isn't trading their best player for dudes who haven't stepped into the NHL...please get a grip on reality.


PPG AHL
27 déc. 2021 à 12 h 48
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That’s an absolutely terrible deal for Arizona
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PPG AHL


Means absolutely nothing.
27 déc. 2021 à 15 h 14
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Means absolutely nothing.


And I’m the one who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. All righty then.
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What about McNabb for Koekkoek in EDM? You'd get a top 6 D back making league min for 2 years and save 1.6M in cap this year.
 
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