What if the oilers reject all of these trades because we are not rebuilding.

WPG aren’t trading Little. His contract has 2 years left and he’ll retire a Jet.
We’ll take Puljujarvi though… what’s the ask?

NSH doesn't consider that.

No thank you

If nashville wants to compete right now they do

Little was there just for cap issues

Just a fun idea for an alternate universe

How will NSH ever compete without the three combined goals RNH and Benson have provided for EDM this season?

If the Oilers want anything close to that kind of value for RNH, they'd have to find a way to magically erase the last five years of his contract. Even then, it's still an over pay.

You have obviously not watched any other hockey teams other than the preds. Benson adds smaller value but he's still young and is a depth forward in case of an injury. Here's a link to nugent-hopkins' analytics: https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1409888760515465226

I'd probably just take off the nashville third then the trade would be more even.

As exciting as it'd be to get McDavid, I'm not doing that as the Sens

Stutzle and Sanderson are elite pieces
Greig and Pinto are high end pieces
The 2022 first will most likely be top-10
Plus another first round pick

Olivier Rodrigue has never played a game in the NHL and he's worth a first-round draft pick?!?!?

Murray is a cap dump as he doesn't even play in the NHL anymore

That is true but I assume any package for mcdavid would have to be huge

Not sure I understand this, Nugent-Hopkins is an excellent player, I'd take him in a heartbeat

L'Heureux is a good prospect but RNH has value. I guess it depends how much you value that 1st in 2024, I have no idea how good or bad the Preds will be then



Yeah and as much as McDavid is the best hockey player on the planet, I would absolutely hate to pay that price. The 4 players will be key for Ottawa and these 2 first rounders have great value too.



He'll be back and perform well at some point (if he stops being so injury prone though), probably with another team, while Ottawa continues to pay him a salary. This team has been heavily mismanaged since the day Pierre Dorion became the GM. Luckily for us, our drafting is exceptional (Trent Mann is the man), which is the only saving grace because ownership is also the worst in the league. And Ottawa's market isn't great either, very hard to attract UFAs and have great revenues with ticket sales.

One thing to understand is simply this :

January 15th to March 12th 2021 :

Murray : 0.891 SV% (22 GP)
Daccord : 0.880 SV% (5 GP)
Hogberg : 0.859 SV% (10 GP)

March 13th to May 12th 2021 :

Murray : 0.954 SV% (5 GP)
Gustavsson : 0.933 SV% (9 GP)
Hogberg : 0.912 SV% (4 GP)
Forsberg : 0.909 SV% (8 GP)
Daccord : 0.906 SV% (3 GP)

October 14th to December 7th 2021 :

Forsberg : 0.895 SV% (9 GP)
Gustavsson : 0.893 SV% (11 GP)
Murray : 0.890 SV% (6 GP)


I have been a goalie for decades. I can attest that goalie numbers are heavily dependent on the team in front of them. Murray hasn't done worse than any other goalie during the stretches he was on the team, he actually did better than the rest last year. There's a context between the first 2 stretches, I could explain it all but it would take time and many words. Simply put, personnel choices progressively improved and team structure and hockey systems were finally implemented. The team turned things around that date. Note for example that it took them 9 games to dress Artem Zub, on what was the worst defense of the last 25 years. lol

The fact that Dorion threw big money at Murray and thought he would single handily (because of that scapegoating) turn this joke of a NHL defense around is just another proof that shows how incompetent he is at his job. Money and assets should have been spent on DEFENSE (D-men and forwards who are good defensively)

RNH has been an above average 2nd liner, but his lack of goal scoring this season is troubling. I wouldn't want him on the books until he's 35. NSH values L'Heureux pretty highly. They traded up to draft him, and his stock has risen since then.

I understand your concerns and it's ok if you don't want to sacrifice (good) futures for a veteran but just talking about RNH. His contract is pretty good, 5.125 AAV for a player of his caliber is pretty good. He got more term that you'd normally want to be able to keep that AAV low. The last 2 years of his contract reflects that with a 3.75 salary. I don't think he's a player who will regress very fast as he is an excellent skater with great hockey sense and he doesn't seem to be injury prone. Worst case scenario you trade the last 2 years of his contract to a team like the actual Sens/Coyotes, teams that are looking for lesser salary than cap hit to reach the floor

Do Tampa bay going into a rebuild

I agree with the sv% partly being influenced by the team in front of a goalie but still Murray's GSAx is in the bottom 25th percentile this season which puts him at the lower end of backups in the league this year. No team was interested in him when he hit waivers and I don't think a team would consider him even if half of his salary is retained. For now, Murray is at best a backup but if he ever moves teams we might see the cup winning goalie he used to be.

I completely agree with this. I had in mind the 24' first being a late round pick thinking nashville isn't really an aging team and bringing in nuge would make them better. His contract isn't the worst and he is and will outplay it for the first 3-4 years. And I agree with him no regressing too fast either due to his skillsets.



I really wouldn't pay attention to this season's goal scoring numbers for nugent-hopkins. This is definitely an outlier year as compared to the rest of his seasons and to add on, the oilers have incredibly high scoring forwards (mcdavid, drai, puljujarvi, hyman) which take away the goals from nuge. If nuge had around 10-15 this year, the oilers goal scoring numbers would take them from averaging 3.2 gpm to 3.8 gpm, a very high and hard number to maintain throughout the year. Trading away L'Heureux and what I would think would be a mid to late 1st for him is reasonable. It improves the team by a good a margin and nuge is still under contract for years to come. After all, a team must always give up something good to get something good in return.

Yeah but 6 games sample size... it means nothing. The "partly being influenced" is actually GREATLY influenced... There's been a ton of examples for that. Look at Carey Price and John Gibson numbers last year, is it because they're bad goalies? The best example of all time I think is Brian Elliottt 2010-11 season vs the following season in 2011-12. Look it up and tell me what you think lol



Of course no team was interested in Murray, his contract is awful (Dorion is the worst NHL GM by a good margin). Adam Henrique went through waivers last year, plenty of good players went through it and don't get claimed because their AAVs are too high. Sorry if I didn't make it clear but I'm not arguing against what you said about Murray being a "cap dump", just trying to give insight about his situation. Like any Sens goalie, he has been left out to dry more often than not, except last season second half where the team finally played at a NHL level defensively (coaching, personnel, experience, chemistry, etc)

I don't know if he could ever get back to that "cup winning goalie" level because he has a long injury list now and I have no idea how much it impacts him as I am not his doctor. I am a goalie, I had a surgery before, I aged too so I declined but impossible to compare as it's case per case but yeah, injuries do have a physical impact as players are not robots. Hockey is a very athletic sport, it's not like baseball lol

I personally think Murray would be totally fine behind a NHL team with a normal defensive structure and efficient hockey systems (coaching and personnel). It was easy to see last year in the 2nd half, where he had 0.954 SV% and 2 shutouts in 5 games. He made it look easy. Sure it's also a small sample size but he was probably excited to see the team play well so he was on a high

It's still a hard pass. If NSH were willing to give up all that for a roster upgrade (doubtful, in my mind), I think they could get a better return.

You won't find a quality player under contract thats better than nuge with that package. There's enough proof here to prove that nuge is worth the deal.