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Chychrun blockbuster

Créé par: Yotes269
Date de création initiale: 15 déc. 2021
Publié: 15 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Explications
Kassian, turris, and Barrie are dumps to get salary to work. Barrie is redundant when adding chychrun, lybushkin is a stay at home RD that’s RFA who could help Edmonton a lot. Kessel and galchenyuk add scoring depth up front. Broberg, Holloway, and the 1st are the price for chychrun, taking on salary in kassian and Barrie, plus the picks and lower tier prospect being sent to Edmonton. Oilers make their win now move and shore up the D while adding depth scoring, Arizona takes on the prospects. Win-win
Transactions
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ARI
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Broberg, Philip
  3. Holloway, Dylan
  4. Kassian, Zack
  5. Turris, Kyle
  6. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Kessel, Phil
  2. Lyubushkin, Ilya
  3. Kirk, Liam
  4. Chychrun, Jakob
  5. Galchenyuk, Alex
  6. 2022 2e round pick (VAN)
  7. 2022 4e round pick (ARI)
  8. 2024 3e round pick (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Retain 50% on kessel
Rachats de contrats
  • Michael Grabner: 1 258 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Oliver Ekman-Larsson: 990 000 $ (12%)
  • Darcy Kuemper: 1 000 000 $ (22%)
  • Johan Larsson: 700 000 $ (50%)
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2581 500 000 $72 140 284 $196 951 $3 565 000 $9 359 716 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Eriksson, Loui
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Schmaltz, Nick
5 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 5
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Keller, Clayton
7 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 7
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Ladd, Andrew
5 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Beagle, Jay
3 000 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
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Fischer, Christian
1 000 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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Roussel, Antoine
3 000 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
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Hayton, Barrett
894 167 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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Kassian, Zack
3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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Crouse, Lawson
1 533 333 $
AG
UFA - 1
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Boyd, Travis
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Dzingel, Ryan
1 100 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
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Holloway, Dylan
925 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 3
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O'Brien, Liam
750 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Turris, Kyle
1 650 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Gostisbehere, Shayne
4 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Strålman, Anton
5 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Vejmelka, Karel
842 500 $
G
UFA - 1
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Moser, Janis
886 667 $
DG
RFA - 3
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Mayo, Dysin
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Wedgewood, Scott
825 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Capobianco, Kyle
775 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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Dineen, Cam
750 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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Barrie, Tyson
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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Broberg, Philip
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Jaskin, Dmitrij
3 200 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
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Larsson, Johan
700 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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Timmins, Conor
850 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Hutton, Carter
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 10
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Wayyyyy too much going on man and holloway is untouchable

I feel like a package of broberg+2022 first or barrie,samurkov,2022 first and conditional 2023 second (which turns into a first if Edmonton makes the conference finals) is much simpler and overall easier to evaluate
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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 12
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sorry but as good as Chychrun hes not worth essentially 3 1sts maybe a 1st and broberg they may look at but holloway is out of the question.
15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Wayyyyy too much going on man and holloway is untouchable

I feel like a package of broberg+2022 first or barrie,samurkov,2022 first and conditional 2023 second (which turns into a first if Edmonton makes the conference finals) is much simpler and overall easier to evaluate

I feel like Edmonton is going to want off the kassian and Barrie contracts in the offseason anyways, if you can replace them now with players that likely fit better I don’t see why not now. Holloway was a wish to get in there, but I don’t think the price is going to be anywhere near what people would find acceptable so I think this package probably reflects reality better than anything. I don’t think they’re moving him in season, but the price would be exuberant
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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 16
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The only untouchables are Holloway and Bouchard. Everyone else is fair game. I say that because they still need guys on ELCs but that can produce. I'd offer:

Broberg
Bourgault
2022 1st
Conditional 2022 2nd (some kind of Cup Win/appearance condition)
B prospect such as Tullio or Kemp

Throw Yamamoto into the conversation as well.
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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 21
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
The only untouchables are Holloway and Bouchard. Everyone else is fair game. I say that because they still need guys on ELCs but that can produce. I'd offer:

Broberg
Bourgault
2022 1st
Conditional 2022 2nd (some kind of Cup Win/appearance condition)
B prospect such as Tullio or Kemp

Throw Yamamoto into the conversation as well.


I think that is definitely fair. Add Yamamoto to it and then add the kassian and turris contract to even it?
15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 23
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ARI is on the brink of bankruptcy, no way they take on that much salary dump
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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 26
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I get the "Holloway is untouchable" thing for Edmonton fans. 'Bertaaaaa baby!

What I will say, is that if Edmonton is unwilling to include their top prospect, I'd imagine that someone will. @eberles_backcheck's deal is probably fine, but Arizona has a ton of picks...Gotta think if they're moving Chych, they'd want the best possible prospect they can get. If that's Broberg/Bourgault, great, but if it were me, I'd set my price, and hold off until someone meets it. Absolutely no rush to move him.
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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 45
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The only untouchables on the Oilers are McDavid and Draisaitl.
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15 déc. 2021 à 12 h 50
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I'm gonna be a dissenting opinion here buy why does AZ do this? Why is Arizona including Kessel into this trade when they could sell him separately for more assets? Why is Az including ANY picks at all? Why is AZ taking on Kassian? I think Holloway is a very nice prospect but the EDM fans on here acting like he's untouchable.. c'mon you'd be getting a norris caliber defenseman at 4.6 million... are you unaware of how much you just signed Nurse for?? Chychrun is better than Nurse at half the cost you're gonna have the pay up for him. Also Broberg is again a nice prospect but he's no sure thing.

I don't think this deal works for either party as constructed but I also don't understand EDM fans who think they could get Chychrun for a late 1st rounder, Yamamoto (who can't score despite playing with 2 nuclear weapons) and a B level prospect
15 déc. 2021 à 14 h 30
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Quoting: KrispyBBQ
I think that is definitely fair. Add Yamamoto to it and then add the kassian and turris contract to even it?


Yea, there definitely needs to be $ going back. Turris + Kassian, or Barrie. So to summarize:

Barrie
Broberg
Bourgault
2022 1st
2023 Conditional 2nd
Kemp

Sign me up.
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15 déc. 2021 à 14 h 33
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Quoting: Lenny7
I get the "Holloway is untouchable" thing for Edmonton fans. 'Bertaaaaa baby!

What I will say, is that if Edmonton is unwilling to include their top prospect, I'd imagine that someone will. eberles_backcheck's deal is probably fine, but Arizona has a ton of picks...Gotta think if they're moving Chych, they'd want the best possible prospect they can get. If that's Broberg/Bourgault, great, but if it were me, I'd set my price, and hold off until someone meets it. Absolutely no rush to move him.


Quoting: SmokeAndBeer
The only untouchables on the Oilers are McDavid and Draisaitl.


Okay, untouchable is maybe the wrong word. My point is, to manage the cap, Holloway is key because he is the most NHL ready and would be on the roster right now if he wasn't hurt. Plus he's on an ELC. That is why he would be hard to move. Maybe Bourgault is ready by next year and he can be that guy then.
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15 déc. 2021 à 15 h 2
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
Okay, untouchable is maybe the wrong word. My point is, to manage the cap, Holloway is key because he is the most NHL ready and would be on the roster right now if he wasn't hurt. Plus he's on an ELC. That is why he would be hard to move. Maybe Bourgault is ready by next year and he can be that guy then.


For sure. I don't disagree, I just think that *if* Chychrun is actually available, there's going to be a long, long lineup to get him, and I'd imagine there'll be a team that is willing to give up a Holloway-type prospect.
15 déc. 2021 à 15 h 12
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Quoting: Lenny7
For sure. I don't disagree, I just think that *if* Chychrun is actually available, there's going to be a long, long lineup to get him, and I'd imagine there'll be a team that is willing to give up a Holloway-type prospect.


It depends what the rest of the deal looks like then. Is a team giving up their Top Prospect plus all the other stuff? If so, then ya, no brainer for AZ.
16 déc. 2021 à 8 h 43
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
It depends what the rest of the deal looks like then. Is a team giving up their Top Prospect plus all the other stuff? If so, then ya, no brainer for AZ.


I'd guess 1st+top prospect+young NHLer...assuming that the 1st would be 20+OA
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