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Créé par: Hockey247
Date de création initiale: 8 déc. 2021
Publié: 8 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
I hate to let go of Toffoli, but considering his production, cap hit, and age, I think this is a very good deal for the rangers.
I would have liked to acquire a few more 2nd rd picks as well, but 4 first rd picks should be a very very good start in attaining high end talent that can help this team over the next decade. only one of those picks will be in the top 5 (Habs own pick).
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Oilers get rid of Koskinen and get a decent 1b in return that is at a very very good cap hit.
EDM
  1. Allen, Jake
2.
MTL
  1. Dumont, Gabriel
  2. 2022 1e round pick (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
Consdering the Bolts traded a 1st for Savard, I'm sure they'd be willing to trade a 1st for a player who is much much better than Chiarot.
TBL
  1. Chiarot, Ben (1 750 000 $ retained)
3.
MTL
  1. 2022 3e round pick (WPG)
VAN
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
Détails additionnels:
Van's PK is trash. Would they consider a low cost PK who is an RFA after this year?
4.
MTL
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Georgiev, Alexandar
  3. 2022 1e round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
  2. Wideman, Chris
5.
MTL
  1. Galloway, Tyson [Liste de réserve]
  2. Sundqvist, Oskar
  3. 2022 1e round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Edmundson, Joel
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Ben Chiarot: 1 750 000 $ (100%)
  • Brett Kulak: 925 000 $ (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
  • Artturi Lehkonen: 1 150 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • Mikko Koskinen: 3 375 000 $ (4 500 000 $)
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2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $75 030 477 $597 561 $2 325 000 $6 469 523 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Hoffman, Mike
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C
UFA - 1
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Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG, AD, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
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Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
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Kravtsov, Vitali
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
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Pezzetta, Michael
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Sundqvist, Oskar
2 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
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Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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Niku, Sami
750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Clague, Kale
761 250 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Georgiev, Alexandar
2 425 000 $
G
RFA - 1
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Kulak, Brett
925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5
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Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2

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8 déc. 2021 à 16 h 0
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Leave it to a habs fan to call others idiots when he’s blatantly denying stats and analytics


https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=savarda01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=chiarbe01&p2yrfrom=2021
in literally every statistical category, ben chiarot is better....
8 déc. 2021 à 16 h 12
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Like I said, Koskinen is barely ahead. Not even 1.0 shots per 60 difference isn't significant. If you honestly believe Koskinen is the more reliable choice, I'm obviously not going to convince you.
I feel this is more about devaluing Allen than arguing Koskinen is good however. The numbers are close enough that you should be decrying them both if anything.

If the numbers are close, why is there a 1st round pick going to Montreal? You admit that Allen isn't an upgrade but can't understand what's wrong with the trade?
8 déc. 2021 à 16 h 29
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If the numbers are close, why is there a 1st round pick going to Montreal? You admit that Allen isn't an upgrade but can't understand what's wrong with the trade?


If you read my first post, I said the difference wasn't a first. I would err on the side of the goaltender with more playoff experience however.

Allen should be worth a 2nd or a 3rd with the possibility of becoming a 2nd. The $2M in cap difference allows for an addition elsewhere vs Koskinen.
There may be better options, but Koskinen and his limited playoff experience is a risk for a team that really needs to go past the first round.
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8 déc. 2021 à 16 h 32
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Everyone of these deals is an insane overpayment besides the chiarot one. Allen realistically gets you a 3rd round pick there’s never really been a huge return in the goalie market unless it’s a legit game changer in the trade and that’s definitely not what Jake Allen is
8 déc. 2021 à 16 h 53
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Quoting: Hockey247
just heard it from another blues fan and some blues beat writer that they would have interest in him


which beat writer? and even if they did, it wouldn't be at that price; that's more than what Armstrong paid for Jay Bouwmeester in 2013 and Ryan Miller in 2014 (Blues were able to dump cap in that deal).
8 déc. 2021 à 17 h 21
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Quoting: ricochetii
If you read my first post, I said the difference wasn't a first. I would err on the side of the goaltender with more playoff experience however.

Allen should be worth a 2nd or a 3rd with the possibility of becoming a 2nd. The $2M in cap difference allows for an addition elsewhere vs Koskinen.
There may be better options, but Koskinen and his limited playoff experience is a risk for a team that really needs to go past the first round.

Koskinen is the backup in Edmonton, I have no idea why ppl think it's critical to upgrade that position when the backup rarely plays in the playoffs. In any case, I don't see anyone giving up a 2nd for Allen, who is a $3M backup who has a scant 29 games of playoff experience. I mean, MAF (162 playoff games) is probably on the market too...

FWIW, Koskinen has 77 games of playoff experience in the KHL.
8 déc. 2021 à 17 h 24
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Quoting: Hockey247
who'd you play savard over LMAO.


Savard played over Foote, but that wouldn't work with chiarot since he's a lefty and tampa rarely plays lefties on the right side.

Plus they have bogo now so their right side depth isn't as bad as last year.
8 déc. 2021 à 17 h 30
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You ever have a HALL OF FAMER ( who has also been a GM and radio anylyst) tell you you evaluate talent well . I have by the name of Phil Esposito.

and I’m supposed to care about that? If he even said that to you it’s not like he was gonna say you’re ****
8 déc. 2021 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: CD282
Koskinen is the backup in Edmonton, I have no idea why ppl think it's critical to upgrade that position when the backup rarely plays in the playoffs. In any case, I don't see anyone giving up a 2nd for Allen, who is a $3M backup who has a scant 29 games of playoff experience. I mean, MAF (162 playoff games) is probably on the market too...

FWIW, Koskinen has 77 games of playoff experience in the KHL.


The fact is that Edmonton is currently going into the playoffs with two goaltenders that have 1 win apiece in 3 consecutive first round exits. That shouldn't inspire confidence and they should be examining every option.
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8 déc. 2021 à 19 h 45
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and I’m supposed to care about that? If he even said that to you it’s not like he was gonna say you’re ****

No but when he says nothing I know he disagreed he golfs 3x's a week where I worked for 12 Years
9 déc. 2021 à 9 h 4
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Quoting: Hockey247
https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=savarda01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=chiarbe01&p2yrfrom=2021
in literally every statistical category, ben chiarot is better....


Quoting: Hockey247
https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=savarda01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=chiarbe01&p2yrfrom=2021
in literally every statistical category, ben chiarot is better....


https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/skater_gar/?_inputs_&gar_sk_team=%22All%22&gar_sk_base=%22Replacement%22&gar_sk_age1=%2217%22&gar_sk_info=%22No%22&gar_sk_pos=%22All%22&gar_sk_span=%22Regular%22&gar_sk_dft_yr=%22All%22&gar_sk_toi_all=%2250%22&gar_sk_season=%5B%2220212022%22%2C%2220202021%22%2C%2220192020%22%2C%2220182019%22%2C%2220172018%22%2C%2220162017%22%5D&gar_sk_group=%22Team%2C%20Season%22&gar_sk_players=%5B%22David%20Savard%22%2C%22Ben%20Chiarot%22%5D&gar_sk_toi_sh=%220%22&gar_sk_type=%22Totals%22&gar_sk_range=%22Seasons%22&gar_sk_status=%22All%22&gar_sk_col=%22Basic%22&gar_sk_toi_ev=%220%22&gar_sk_age2=%2250%22&gar_sk_toi_pp=%220%22

Savard leads chirot in every analytic aswell as savard has been better this year than chirots best year
9 déc. 2021 à 9 h 35
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Quoting: ricochetii
The fact is that Edmonton is currently going into the playoffs with two goaltenders that have 1 win apiece in 3 consecutive first round exits. That shouldn't inspire confidence and they should be examining every option.

Goaltending wasn't the issue last year. Tampa got swept by Columbus in the first round a few years ago, Vasilevskiy had zero wins but he wasn't the issue. They analyzed the issue and fixed it.
 
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