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Forsberg Futures

Créé par: TySmith4Norris
Équipe: 2021-22 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 7 déc. 2021
Publié: 7 déc. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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PIT
  1. Forsberg, Filip (3 000 000 $ retained)
NSH
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
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7 déc. 2021 à 11 h 46
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NSH isn't taking on that Pettersson contract with Josi and Ekholm signed long-term to big cap hits on the left side already
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7 déc. 2021 à 11 h 48
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NSH isn't taking on that Pettersson contract with Josi and Ekholm signed long-term to big cap hits on the left side already


That's third pair money nowadays, and he's a second pair talent
7 déc. 2021 à 11 h 51
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That's third pair money nowadays, and he's a second pair talent


Hard pass. Spending over $4m on a 3rd pairing defenseman is not a wise move for any team.

NSH also has Farrance and Davies ready next season for the 3LD spot on contracts that will be <$1m.
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7 déc. 2021 à 11 h 53
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Hard pass. Spending over $4m on a 3rd pairing defenseman is not a wise move for any team.

NSH also has Farrance and Davies ready next season for the 3LD spot on contracts that will be <$1m.


Works ok for Tampa

But would depend on team direction and plans, sure

Would free them up to move Ekholm or Josi if they actually want to rebuild/retool
7 déc. 2021 à 12 h 3
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Works ok for Tampa

But would depend on team direction and plans, sure

Would free them up to move Ekholm or Josi if they actually want to rebuild/retool


Ekholm just signed an extension, and they're won't even consider trading Josi right now. I would've been OK with acquiring Pettersson prior to the Ekholm extension, but now it just makes no sense.

And Tampa? I mean, they play those 3 as their top 3 defenseman in terms of time on ice. Pettersson isn't being used like that in PIT, and he surely wouldn't be used in that same way on NSH either. And Pettersson isn't close to Sergachev (who I guess would be technically the 3LD in this scenario) in terms of value on/off the ice either. He'd end up getting 5th most TOI most likely being Josi, Ekholm, Carrier, and Fabbro. Is it really worth it to pay a guy over $4m long term to play around 16 minutes a game as a defenseman? Probably not. He's not even getting top 4 minutes on PIT right now with a weaker top 4 than NSH -- plus he's barely playing any special teams.
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7 déc. 2021 à 12 h 19
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Ekholm just signed an extension, and they're won't even consider trading Josi right now. I would've been OK with acquiring Pettersson prior to the Ekholm extension, but now it just makes no sense.

And Tampa? I mean, they play those 3 as their top 3 defenseman in terms of time on ice. Pettersson isn't being used like that in PIT, and he surely wouldn't be used in that same way on NSH either. And Pettersson isn't close to Sergachev (who I guess would be technically the 3LD in this scenario) in terms of value on/off the ice either. He'd end up getting 5th most TOI most likely being Josi, Ekholm, Carrier, and Fabbro. Is it really worth it to pay a guy over $4m long term to play around 16 minutes a game as a defenseman? Probably not. He's not even getting top 4 minutes on PIT right now with a weaker top 4 than NSH -- plus he's barely playing any special teams.


The top two teams this year (Caps/Panthers) both also have guys making ~4M to play 16 minutes on their third pairing this year

But we can agree to disagree on fit, was more looking from a value perspective on 1st + top prospect + roster player for Forsberg
7 déc. 2021 à 12 h 29
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The top two teams this year (Caps/Panthers) both also have guys making ~4M to play 16 minutes on their third pairing this year

But we can agree to disagree on fit, was more looking from a value perspective on 1st + top prospect + roster player for Forsberg


And I'm sure they'd probably rather use that cap space elsewhere on the roster if they could -- lots of teams can find that same value in a $1m defenseman. For instance, Shultz's contract is up this year, but I don't see them paying him $4m to come back and play 3rd pair minutes next season...

But either way, NSH isn't taking on that long-term, high $$ Pettersson contract; it's a position they don't need to put big $$ into. And I don't know if I would categorize Poulin as a top prospect. He may be one of PIT's better prospects, but I'm really not that high on him. I'd ultimately be disappointed if this was the return on a Forsberg deal.
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No from NSH imo... don't need a 3rd pairing dman making 4M, and a low 1st
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7 déc. 2021 à 12 h 31
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
The top two teams this year (Caps/Panthers) both also have guys making ~4M to play 16 minutes on their third pairing this year

But we can agree to disagree on fit, was more looking from a value perspective on 1st + top prospect + roster player for Forsberg


A 1st, top prospect, and a roster player would be enough for Forsberg. Pettersson isn't of any interest to NSH as that roster player though, as his term and cap hit are too high for a guy who'd be so far down NSH's depth chart. Poulin isn't exactly a top prospect either. With or without the retention, other teams would beat this offer pretty easily. NSH declines.
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7 déc. 2021 à 12 h 35
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And I'm sure they'd probably rather use that cap space elsewhere on the roster if they could -- lots of teams can find that same value in a $1m defenseman. For instance, Shultz's contract is up this year, but I don't see them paying him $4m to come back and play 3rd pair minutes next season...

But either way, NSH isn't taking on that long-term, high $$ Pettersson contract; it's a position they don't need to put big $$ into. And I don't know if I would categorize Poulin as a top prospect. He may be one of PIT's better prospects, but I'm really not that high on him. I'd ultimately be disappointed if this was the return on a Forsberg deal.


Always replying with the same point I'm about to make, while I'm still typing mine out. Never change, @villenash smile
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7 déc. 2021 à 12 h 36
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Always replying with the same point I'm about to make, while I'm still typing mine out. Never change, villenash smile


cool
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i think NSH rejects
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