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Boeser and Horvat Trade

Créé par: cooliny
Date de création initiale: 3 déc. 2021
Publié: 5 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Explications
Happen around TDL/Draft.

Hoglander extended 2Mx2
Miller extended 7Mx8
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Lockwood, William1900 000 $
DiPietro, Michael1900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Motte, Tyler31 500 000 $
Strome, Ryan35 500 000 $
Blackwell, Colin1800 000 $
Rutta, Jan13 000 000 $
Edler, Alexander13 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Jiricek, David3925 000 $
Nemec, Simon3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Wahlstrom, Oliver
  2. Pánik, Richard
  3. 2022 1e round pick (NYI)
  4. 2023 5e round pick (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
NYI does not really have a need to draft and desperately need a pure goal scorer, so they exchange their relatively high pick for Boeser, a 1RW that NYI needs, and Rathbone, a young puck moving LD. Boeser’s value is also at an all-time low so they make the big move. I’m not really sure what else needs to be added to make cap work.
NYI
  1. Boeser, Brock [Droits de RFA]
  2. Rathbone, Jack [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Canucks and Islanders 1st round picks will hopefully fall between 3-6, and they hope to be able to snag Jiricek and Nemec, who would totally transform this D-core and knock off Poolman and Myers. Also receives Wahlstrom, who would fit nicely in the future.
2.
VAN
  1. Vrána, Jakub
  2. 2022 2e round pick (DET)
  3. 2022 2e round pick (WSH)
DET
  1. Horvat, Bo
  2. Myers, Tyler
Détails additionnels:
Not completely sure the value here but I've seen a Horvat/Myers swap for Hronek and 2 2nds and Detroit fans said they would do it.
Rachats de contrats
  • Braden Holtby: 1 900 000 $
  • Jake Virtanen: 500 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
VAN
NYI
DET
WSH
WPG
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
2023
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
NYI
VAN
2024
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $78 945 834 $0 $1 687 500 $2 554 166 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
DET
Vrána, Jakub
5 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
7 350 000 $
C
RFA - 2
VAN
Höglander, Nils
891 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
VAN
Podkolzin, Vasily
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
VAN
Miller, J.T.
5 250 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
VAN
Garland, Conor
4 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
VAN
Pearson, Tanner
3 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
Strome, Ryan
5 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA
NYI
Wahlstrom, Oliver
894 167 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
VAN
Motte, Tyler
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
VAN
Dickinson, Jason
2 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Blackwell, Colin
800 000 $
C, AD
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
VAN
Hughes, Quinn
7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
VAN
Hamonic, Travis
3 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
VAN
Demko, Thatcher
5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 4
VAN
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
7 260 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
VAN
Poolman, Tucker
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
VAN
DiPietro, Michael
900 000 $
G
RFA
Edler, Alexander
3 000 000 $
DG
UFA
Rutta, Jan
3 000 000 $
DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
VAN
Schenn, Luke
850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Nemec, Simon
925 000 $
VAN
Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
NYI
Pánik, Richard
1 375 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Jiricek, David
925 000 $
VAN
Keeper, Brady
762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
VAN
Burroughs, Kyle
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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5 déc. 2021 à 17 h 46
#1
Nuck Fan
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NYI aren't giving up a top 10 pick AND Whalstrom for Boeser.
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5 déc. 2021 à 17 h 46
#2
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if the islanders' pick is top 5, i wouldn't trade it for any player they could reasonably acquire.
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5 déc. 2021 à 17 h 48
#3
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At this point Vancouver will still be bad ... But DAMN I would like to see Detroit with Horvat in the roster
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5 déc. 2021 à 17 h 51
#4
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Colin
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Quoting: bagelbob
if the islanders' pick is top 5, i wouldn't trade it for any player they could reasonably acquire.


Top 5 protected?
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5 déc. 2021 à 17 h 52
#5
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I wouldn’t even trade Wahlstrom straight up for Boeser
5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 5
#6
I am Loui Eriksson
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Quoting: Db1899
I wouldn’t even trade Wahlstrom straight up for Boeser


Boeser is proven, Wahlstrom is not. Canucks wouldn’t and shouldn’t do this either. Rathbone also looks like he’s going to be a solid top 4 LHD but that’s not what the NYI need right? Lol
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5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 11
#7
Big Shoots
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The hidden value in this trade is Rathbone. Isles fans don't seem to be aware he is very talented. Obviously the Canucks would have to do this to have a chance at a top 10 pick.
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5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 13
#8
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Quoting: cooliny
Top 5 protected?


even if it's top 10 i'd be really hesitant to give it away. for a team with no prospects the idea of getting one of the top 10 guys in this draft is really really appealing. if it ended up being more around the top 15 range i'd consider it. the canucks would probably also have to take josh bailey or maybe varlamov to make the cap work tho and idk if that's possible on their side.
5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 16
#9
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I think with myers in the Horvat trade for Hronek works as myers would at least have a roster spot. But in this case he is a 6M press box guy so it doesn't really make much sense for Detroit to add in myers unless the value is really good. Vrana and two seconds is probably the value for Horvat or close too. In this case myers is a straight cap dump and brings alot of negative value. I also wouldn't really want to trade Lindstrom either as he is a really steady defender and won't cost them much down the stretch.
5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 21
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Quoting: Juiceman
Boeser is proven, Wahlstrom is not. Canucks wouldn’t and shouldn’t do this either. Rathbone also looks like he’s going to be a solid top 4 LHD but that’s not what the NYI need right? Lol


Boeser hasn’t been the same since his injury. Wahlstrom has 3 more goals than Boeser this season despite playing 3rd line minutes. The early returns are great and he’s cost controlled, Boeser is going to want at least 7.5 mill and he might not live up to that contract.

I’d rather play Robin Salo at 2LD than Rathbone.
5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 34
#11
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If this is a contenders pick, its a fair trade. Islanders would have to have some noteworthy protection on this deal for it to work for them.

We don't trade with the Isles unless Wahlstrom is in the package.
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5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 35
#12
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Quoting: Lancebmx
I think with myers in the Horvat trade for Hronek works as myers would at least have a roster spot. But in this case he is a 6M press box guy so it doesn't really make much sense for Detroit to add in myers unless the value is really good. Vrana and two seconds is probably the value for Horvat or close too. In this case myers is a straight cap dump and brings alot of negative value. I also wouldn't really want to trade Lindstrom either as he is a really steady defender and won't cost them much down the stretch.


Myers is not that bad. He is a 4/5 D who is fine when he isn't overplayed. Yes he is overpaid, but he is absolutely 100% not a pressbox guy. He'd be getting 3-3.5m on today's market. I do agree that there's some negative TRADE value here due to that contract, but he himself is not a negative asset on the ice like a Vlasic or Zaitsev.
5 déc. 2021 à 18 h 50
#13
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Myers is not that bad. He is a 4/5 D who is fine when he isn't overplayed. Yes he is overpaid, but he is absolutely 100% not a pressbox guy. He'd be getting 3-3.5m on today's market. I do agree that there's some negative TRADE value here due to that contract, but he himself is not a negative asset on the ice like a Vlasic or Zaitsev.


In Detroit he would be a press box guy. He might steal some games from Lindstrom but really with Seider, Hronek and Lindstrom in the fold, he sits in the press box. I've done a couple trades with Horvat and myers for Hronek +, that's where he actually has value. In this trade he has negative value for Detroit even though he may not have negative value as a whole. So in order for Detroit to take on his deal with the current roster they have now, they would have to be compensated substantially.
5 déc. 2021 à 19 h 45
#14
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Buffalo got a late 1st and a G prospect for similar level player Sam Reinhart.

That is what you’ll get for Boeser.
5 déc. 2021 à 20 h 22
#15
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I don't think the distance between Horvat and Vrána is 2 2nd round picks and a cap dump.
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