pens decline. goalies don't have that type of value. allen won't get a 2nd + prospect.

Jake Allen has posted below league average numbers in 3 out of the past 4 seasons (4 out of 5 if you include this year), whereas DeSmith has been posted above league average numbers in all 3 of his seasons, aside from the 4 game sample size so far this year.

Giving up a 2nd and prospect to make what is a fairly lateral move seems like pretty poor asset management.

People using stats when one team is a contender & the other is rebuilding : 🤡🤡🤡

In 4 games this year DeSmith has a -5.33 GSAx. In other words he has given up an average of 1.33 more goals than expected per game this season... that's dreadful.

Conversely, Allen has a GSAx of -2.51 in 18 games that's an average of 0.139 ... essentially average (with a way heavier workload and plays on a bad team).

I think you're off on your assessment... imagine if Jarry got hurt and you had to run with DeSmith.

To put things in perspective did you watch the last habs - pens game? Allen faced 50 shots and DeSmith only faced 31... but the habs won 6-3. That's the difference between these two goalies.

P.S. Legare is nothing special he would be a piece for Laval... I know Pittsburgh has no prospects but let's not act like Legare has an impact on this trade. It is essentially Allen for a 2nd.

It's extremely hilarious to me when people feel like they've been personally slighted when they see a large sample size of numbers put in front of them that disagrees with the narrative that they're trying to run with. No need to call anyone names, but go off if you feel the need

17/18: St Louis=missed playoffs by 3 pts=below league average numbers for Allen, which is hilarious considering the team finished 6th OA in goals against.
18/19: St Louis=Stanley Cup Champs=Below league average numbers for Allen, again hilarious considering the team finished 6th OA in goals against.
19/20: St Louis=Best in the Central=Above league average numbers for Allen, and again, they finished 6th OA in goals against.
20/21: Montreal=Wildcard team=Below league average numbers for Allen, Habs finished in the middle of the pack in goals against.

habs made it to the final last season and he was still a .907 goalie. your argument doesn't make any sense.

70 game sample size > 4 game sample size.
158 game sample size > 18 game sample size.

Like, you're referencing a single game here (47 saves on 50 shots), but absolutely leaving out the fact that he was lit up for 6 goals on 34 shots three nights before...combine those two games together, and you've got an .892 save percentage. Just picking and choosing individual games that someone played well in is a pretty solid way to overvalue/undervalue players.

They made it because of Price and everyone was pointing out how they barely made the playoffs... you're so disconnected.



I was cherry picking a bit to simplify my point so you're 100% right there. The case with Jake Allen is he always performs better in a shared starter role... last season when he was backing up Price he had like a .930 - outplaying Price (then Price got hurt and he faltered... as did the team). The year before he outplayed Binnginton in STL also from a backup role putting up a .927. I didn't want to go too deep into that but it's exactly what it is with Allen... just like Price turns into an Elite goalie once the playoffs starts. Hard to explain but it's just known to be true.

DeSmith is not a quality NHL goalie... Jake Allen is. 336 career games to DeSmiths 74... they're one year apart in age. Jarry would benefit much more having Allen over DeSmith as a backup IMO.

allen was the starter in the regular season. the habs were a playoff team so the argument that allen's stats were down because he was on a bad team doesn't hold water.

Honestly, I've got nothing against Allen, I just don't think you give up a 2nd and prospect (regardless of status) to get him. IMO, replacing a backup goalie shouldn't be the Pens most pressing need.

That's fair. For me this post was more about establishing value for Jake Allen.

Last year Bergevin traded a 3rd round pick for Allen taking advantage of the unique circumstances of a flat cap and Allen having a cap hit of $4.6M. The trade was praised by fans and media, then Bergevin extended Allen to a $2.8M contract. Based on this, for me, the return for Jake Allen would have to be > a 3rd since that was his price when he was overpaid and a pending UFA. He now has a justifiable cap hit and he is under contract for another year so I'd seek at least a 2nd round pick in any trade. If that price isn't met I think Allen provides more value to MTL by keeping him than say recouping a 3rd round pick.

Pittsburgh was a team that came to mind since DeSmith is really struggling this year and Jarry's playoff performance (or lack there of) last year was a big story. Jarry's been awesome this year though, but I was wondering if goaltending was still a need for Pittsburgh.

I know you two aren’t watching Habs games but last year Allen carried the team and outplayed Price in the regular season (Yes that year in the regular season Price sucked / compared too previous years where he was left out to dry). So Allen was REALLY good despite having below average numbers. Again, this year, it’s amazing he is over .900%, the team sucks defensively and grade A chance from the slut are R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. He could get scored 6 times (like against WSH), it’s isn’t is fault

you're making him out be to jesus 2.0 but at then end of the day he's an above average backup.

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sure for the habs but i mean league wide.

Nah he is, name me 3 better backup goalie than him

smith, anderson, reimer, bernier, halak, knight, vanerek, swayman, francouz, holtby,

Knight Swayman Vanecek yes (Reimer is having a good season I would say equals) the rest I disagree. Maybe Bernier equal