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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 2 déc. 2021
Publié: 3 déc. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  2. Price, Carey (5 250 000 $ retained)
  3. Toffoli, Tyler
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 11
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bro what is this lmao
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 13
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If Montreal is trading Price, Allen and Toffoli, they are rebuilding and want no part of Koskenen, Smith, Ryan or Turris and IF they have to be included then there needs to be 3 more 1sts added
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 16
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Toffoli + AllenRet50%

= the price to take back price 50% ret

So Holloway Broberg 1st 👀
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 17
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If Montreal is trading Price, Allen and Toffoli, they are rebuilding and want no part of Koskenen, Smith, Ryan or Turris and IF they have to be included then there needs to be 3 more 1sts added


Those 4 players make up the Cap Dump to Habs.

Holloway, Broberg and 1st is the real targets. And although i agree, i want more in return, this return likely enrages Oilers fans enough, despite fixing their biggest weaknesses.
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 18
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Quoting: Radu47
Toffoli + AllenRet50%

= the price to take back price 50% ret

So Holloway Broberg 1st 👀


If Habs are willing to eat 50% of Price's Cap, half the NHL teams are calling tomorrow. Run along troll.
3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 22
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Quoting: Campabee
If Montreal is trading Price, Allen and Toffoli, they are rebuilding and want no part of Koskenen, Smith, Ryan or Turris and IF they have to be included then there needs to be 3 more 1sts added


What?

3 more 1sts for guys who can be buried for minimal cap hit or have their deals expire in under a year how on earth could that possibly be reasonable?

They could even flip Ryan for a mid to late pick

Not to mention the return is already very generous

Obv cap isn't a concern for MTL while they rebuild

What kind of crazy juice comment ^

Where's the moonshine emoji when you need it

Edit:

Jfc, like you just implied jack Eichel in his prime has the same value as taking a bunch of flotsam and jetsam contracts that are easy to deal with???

Wow

🥴
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 24
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Those 4 players make up the Cap Dump to Habs.

Holloway, Broberg and 1st is the real targets. And although i agree, i want more in return, this return likely enrages Oilers fans enough, despite fixing their biggest weaknesses.


But we are giving up more than the Oilers here

Price >>>>>>>> Smith + Broberg
Allen >>>> Koskenen + Holloway
Toffoli >>>>>> Ryan and Turris Combined

Then we only get 1 1st maybe 3 more 1sts was a bit steep but I would want at least 2 more or another 1st and Bourgault
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 26
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Quoting: Campabee
But we are giving up more than the Oilers here

Price >>>>>>>> Smith + Broberg
Allen >>>> Koskenen + Holloway
Toffoli >>>>>> Ryan and Turris Combined

Then we only get 1 1st maybe 3 more 1sts was a bit steep but I would want at least 2 more or another 1st and Bourgault


Holloway >>> Allen (half retained) + taking Koskinen
3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 27
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What?

3 more 1sts for guys who can be buried for minimal cap hit or have their deals expire in under a year how on earth could that possibly be reasonable?

They could even flip Ryan for a mid to late pick

Not to mention the return is already very generous

Obv cap isn't a concern for MTL while they rebuild

What kind of crazy juice comment ^

Where's the moonshine emoji when you need it

Edit:

Jfc, like you just implied jack Eichel in his prime has the same value as taking a bunch of flotsam and jetsam contracts that are easy to deal with???

Wow

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Remind me what Eichel Returned? Right just about exactly what I said he would. It wasn't really 4 1sts not even close.
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 29
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Holloway >>> Allen (half retained) + taking Koskinen


No matter what way you slice it this is just horrible for the Habs. Not enough value for 3 top players and taking back 4 lesser players/cap dumps
3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 34
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Why in the world would Edmonton do this? No one will touch price

Love the guy but he’s old, injury prone and a drunk


Even at 5million bucks it not worth it for 4 years
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 37
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Quoting: Campabee
But we are giving up more than the Oilers here

Price >>>>>>>> Smith + Broberg
Allen >>>> Koskenen + Holloway
Toffoli >>>>>> Ryan and Turris Combined

Then we only get 1 1st maybe 3 more 1sts was a bit steep but I would want at least 2 more or another 1st and Bourgault

I see it more like:

Price >>> Koskinen + Broberg
Toffoli = Ryan+ Turris + Holloway
Allen = Smith and 1st

+162500 in Cap to Montreal

So maybe Oilers could add a little more value, or we view this as a gift to Price to go get his Cup.
3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 42
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Why in the world would Edmonton do this? No one will touch price

Love the guy but he’s old, injury prone and a drunk


Even at 5million bucks it not worth it for 4 years


... I am willing to bet most GMs disagree with you and your idiotic opinion.

Substance abuse also covers pain killers, which goes hand in hand with battling serious injuries he plays through. Including dragging the same bottom feeding Montreal Canadiens to the Stanley Cup Finals. When Price empties the tank, he is almost unbeatable. In the regular season, he doesn't, and hasn't for years. Hence Allen, who has been standing on his head this season, and helped drag Montreal to the playoffs last year...

Edmonton does this, because no one in their right mind takes Koskinen and Smith over Price and Allen. Not to mention Toffoli is far better than the 2 cap dumps.
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3 déc. 2021 à 0 h 58
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Quoting: RobbStark03
I see it more like:

Price >>> Koskinen + Broberg
Toffoli = Ryan+ Turris + Holloway
Allen = Smith and 1st

+162500 in Cap to Montreal

So maybe Oilers could add a little more value, or we view this as a gift to Price to go get his Cup.


Personally I still wouldn't eat 21 Mil over 4 years for that little in return. I also don't think this is going to be a full 4 or 5 year rebuild. I think IF they rebuild it will be a quick 2 or 3 year rebuild but I don't think they even do that until the end of next season. I think most in the organization, maybe Gorton as well see our group of roster players and our prospect pool and see
1. A team playing well below their potential
2. A team with maybe 3 glaring weaknesses 1C, 1LD and 1 or 2 RD. The D could already be in the system in Guhle, Struble, Harris, Norlinder or Mailloux. More RD prospects would be nice or going out and trading for a RD.

The point is I don't think management see this team as needing a 4 or 5 year rebuild. If they can do it in 2 or 3 years, I think they would prefer that. I think they also want to exhaust every effort to get Price a cup in Montreal so they give it one last go.
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3 déc. 2021 à 1 h 9
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... I am willing to bet most GMs disagree with you and your idiotic opinion.

Substance abuse also covers pain killers, which goes hand in hand with battling serious injuries he plays through. Including dragging the same bottom feeding Montreal Canadiens to the Stanley Cup Finals. When Price empties the tank, he is almost unbeatable. In the regular season, he doesn't, and hasn't for years. Hence Allen, who has been standing on his head this season, and helped drag Montreal to the playoffs last year...

Edmonton does this, because no one in their right mind takes Koskinen and Smith over Price and Allen. Not to mention Toffoli is far better than the 2 cap dumps.


never said smith and Koskinen are a great duo but 4 more years of price is a massive risk for an oilers team that doesn't need to risk it all to win today. they should definitely be looking for upgrades in nets but price isn't the answer

wouldn't call 11-12-5 with a 907 dragging the habs into the playoffs plus we only made it due to murdering the canucks all year and being in a weak division in terms of teams depth, yes Toronto, Edmonton and Winnipeg are legit but the rest sucked

Fleury,rask and Campbell are free agents next year unless signed before hand, they're are also trade scenarios for Edmonton that aren't for price

I guess your plan is when price gets hurt you pray that Allen can play strong enough that you make the playoffs and that price is healthy for the playoffs and plays out of his mind as he did last playoffs for the habs. If price gets moved I will apologize to you but until that day I am sticking to the fact that no sane gm will trade for price and the only chance is for a very desperate team like potentially Edmonton in 2 years where if they still didn’t have a solid goaltending plan and would swing on two years of price. You'd be sane wanting to swing on two years of price but not 4


I just don't see a team wanting 4 unstable years of goaltending. and I repeat once again I don't think Koskinen and smith are the answer

only time will tell
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3 déc. 2021 à 1 h 57
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Yeah this isn't good for either team I dont get why people keep trying to trade price to Edmonton he isn't a good fit for us whatsoever and we aren't in a position to give up futures.

Price can go somewhere else please so montreal gets more value and edmontons cap situation isn't brutally fu****
3 déc. 2021 à 10 h 3
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... wouldn't call 11-12-5 with a 907 dragging the habs into the playoffs plus we only made it due to murdering the canucks all year and being in a weak division in terms of teams depth, yes Toronto, Edmonton and Winnipeg are legit but the rest sucked...


So half the division was legit, and the other half sucked? Thats a scaled down example of the entire NHL, where half the teams are legit, and half of them suck. So we are we down playing the Northern Division?
3 déc. 2021 à 10 h 7
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Yeah this isn't good for either team I dont get why people keep trying to trade price to Edmonton he isn't a good fit for us whatsoever and we aren't in a position to give up futures.

Price can go somewhere else please so montreal gets more value and edmontons cap situation isn't brutally fu****


I dunno, i guess when the NHL "Insiders" consider you a strong fit, people are gonna see you as a strong fit. As for screwing up your Cap, Its the same money in as money out. Unless you can find a better tandem than Price/Allen for $6.7M...

Colorado fans say these exact things, you all get tired of fans trading certain players to certain teams, because everyone sees the fit, except you...
3 déc. 2021 à 10 h 7
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Personally I still wouldn't eat 21 Mil over 4 years for that little in return. I also don't think this is going to be a full 4 or 5 year rebuild. I think IF they rebuild it will be a quick 2 or 3 year rebuild but I don't think they even do that until the end of next season. I think most in the organization, maybe Gorton as well see our group of roster players and our prospect pool and see
1. A team playing well below their potential
2. A team with maybe 3 glaring weaknesses 1C, 1LD and 1 or 2 RD. The D could already be in the system in Guhle, Struble, Harris, Norlinder or Mailloux. More RD prospects would be nice or going out and trading for a RD.

The point is I don't think management see this team as needing a 4 or 5 year rebuild. If they can do it in 2 or 3 years, I think they would prefer that. I think they also want to exhaust every effort to get Price a cup in Montreal so they give it one last go.


I have a lot less confidence in this old core, but i respect your opinions.
3 déc. 2021 à 10 h 14
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So half the division was legit, and the other half sucked? Thats a scaled down example of the entire NHL, where half the teams are legit, and half of them suck. So we are we down playing the Northern Division?


Was down playing it in comparison to our division, the Atlantic

We dominated Vancouver for a fifth of the season and had an extra playoff spot

Simply saying in a normal division we miss the playoffs and by quite a bit.
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Was down playing it in comparison to our division, the Atlantic

We dominated Vancouver for a fifth of the season and had an extra playoff spot

Simply saying in a normal division we miss the playoffs and by quite a bit.


Maybe, but then in the playoffs dragged this team to the Cup. Allen played well in the regular season, well enough to get this team that goes through excessively long droughts to the playoffs. Montreal's issue is the whole team, neither of the goalies.
3 déc. 2021 à 10 h 25
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Montreal easily declines, we're getting absolutely shafted, we're retaining long term, losing our goaltending tandem and one of our best forward and we get a bunch of cap dumps back then Holloway, Broberg and a 1st
3 déc. 2021 à 10 h 28
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Maybe, but then in the playoffs dragged this team to the Cup. Allen played well in the regular season, well enough to get this team that goes through excessively long droughts to the playoffs. Montreal's issue is the whole team, neither of the goalies.

Not arguing price literally dragging us to the cup or Allen being a very good back up

My questioning is A team taking Carey price and Allen hoping to have price play very dominant in the playoffs

First Allen has to play well for an entire season if price is hurt and what do they do about his back up? If price is healthy he has to play well for an entire season which I’m not sure you should bank your playoffs hopes on
Thirdly price has to be healthy come playoff time and then play out of his mind

I’m in no way shape or form doubting Carey Price’s ability to go on a playoff run if healthy, but he has to be healthy.
I just don’t see why an up and coming team with a lot of its core locked up, would take a chance on Price

As I mentioned above maybe in two trade deadlines or in two off-seasons when price has two or two and a half years then a team might take the swing

I just think 4 years is too risky especially for a team like Edmonton
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Was down playing it in comparison to our division, the Atlantic

We dominated Vancouver for a fifth of the season and had an extra playoff spot

Simply saying in a normal division we miss the playoffs and by quite a bit.


People say that looking at the point totals if the divisions were re-aligned, but the North was a tighter race than any other division. There were only 9 points separating 7th from 4th. The bottom 3 teams in every other division were 11 points out or worse.
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I have a lot less confidence in this old core, but i respect your opinions.


The reason I see the team giving Price and company one more year is, on paper this team is better than it has shown and for 3 or 4 years before this year we were a fringe playoff team. I think the wings got better our C's definitely took a good hit and the D stayed about the same. IF we could draft Wright or bring in another true top 6 center and one of our D prospects step up or we find a trade for a top 4 PMD man our roster looks waaay better. I will give an example, if we Traded Toffoli for Monahan and were able to acquire a D man like Dunn using Poehling + as a trade piece our lineup becomes

Drouin-Suzuki-Caufiled
Hoffman-Monahan-Gallagher
Byron-Dvorak-Anderson
Lehkonen-Evans-Armia
Edmundson-Petry
Dunn-Savard
Romanov-Kulak/Chiarot (depending on IF Chiarot stays)
Price
Allen

That may not look like a cup contender but it is most likely a playoff team and if Price plays like he did last playoffs it certainly could be a cup contender.
 
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