Quoting: Pensfan89
Trying to cherry pick stats and putting words in the others mouth is a terrible way to try and prove your point. In no way did I ever say Letang was worse than Benning nor did I ever mention that Letang was even bad. Simply that he takes more risks than he should. He’s done that his whole career. It doesn’t make him terrible. Most years the good outweighs the bad so much that he is still elite. However this year he hasn’t found the same level of success as he usually does. Secondly, Dumo has more offensive zone starts because he has almost twice as many minutes played lol. It’s common sense. Dumo also has way more defensive zone starts too. Dumo plays on the best pk in the league and is a big part of it. His pk stats are way better than Boro’s too.
Well you haven’t watched too much of the pens (and that’s clearly obvious). And it takes massive homerism to claim that Boro/Benning would be better than Dumo lol.
Are those prospects ready now? Obviously not if you’re playing Boro and Benning. Let’s not pretend you can’t trade Dumo next year if you don’t want to keep him. People act like players don’t get traded more than once on here and it’s kind of sad cause with how much it happens, you’d think people would start to realize it by now lol. Even if you want to argue it’s a price Nashville shouldn’t/couldn’t pay the price because they’d only use him as a bottom pair defenseman doesn’t make it an overpay. But it’s a stupid proposition as a gm to say “well we don’t want to upgrade the bottom pair defense for a cup run because we don’t want to pay a top 4 d price for a top 4 d that we’d use to upgrade the 3rd d pair.” Pretty terrible message to send to the fans to show them you don’t care about winning and pretty dumb of fans to accept that messaging lol
Man, there's a lot to unpack here. You're projecting so much, and accusing me of everything that you're doing in this thread. I don't know where to begin. Where have I cherry picked stats (Dumoulin does start a higher % of his shifts in the offensive zone than Borowiecki) or said that Benning is better than Letang (illustrating the fallacy of your point isn't the same as making a declarative statement)?
Suffice to say, we definitely don't agree on the value of some of the players mentioned here. I understand that given what PIT has to work with on their backend, Dumoulin has more value to them than he would most other teams. Likewise, I'm sure you can see that overpaying for a $4M for a guy who'd be a #5 defenseman at best (if he fixes his game) on a team with better defensemen isn't ideal. It's not like he's the one piece NSH needs to vault them into top contender tier. That shouldn't even be NSH's goal this season. They've just started on a youth movement, and giving up picks for a past his prime defensemen runs completely counter to that.
No you didn't say Letang is bad, and he really isn't quite yet. You did say he's elite though. That's a bit of a stretch. He was in that tier just below the best in the league for a large part of his career, which is admirable. But elite? That one time he was a Norris finalist nine years ago doesn't mean he was ever elite. He'll go down as one of PIT's best defensemen of all time (Coffey and Carlyle are the only better ones coming to mind), but league wide that's not saying much. PIT has had less impressive defensemen over their 50+ years than NSH has had forwards in their time.