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one has high value the other one has low value

Créé par: NoWah49
Date de création initiale: 2 déc. 2021
Publié: 2 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bratt, Jesper55 250 000 $
Zacha, Pavel64 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
McNabb, Brayden33 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Caufield, Cole
MTL
  1. Mercer, Dawson
Rachats de contrats
  • Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
Frais appliqués
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
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2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
EDM
NYI
CBJ
NJD
NJD
2023
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2024
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
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2082 500 000 $70 327 499 $0 $2 100 000 $12 172 501 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NJD
Tatar, Tomas
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
NJD
Hughes, Jack
8 000 000 $
C
UFA - 8
MTL
Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
5 250 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
NJD
Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 5
NJD
Holtz, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
NJD
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
4 000 000 $
AG, C
RFA
NJD
Sharangovich, Yegor
2 000 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 1
NJD
Kuokkanen, Janne
1 825 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
975 000 $
C
RFA - 1
NJD
Bastian, Nathan
825 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NJD
Graves, Ryan
3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 1
NJD
Hamilton, Dougie
9 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
NJD
Bernier, Jonathan
4 125 000 $
G
UFA - 1
McNabb, Brayden
3 000 000 $
DG
UFA
NJD
Severson, Damon
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 1
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
2 800 000 $
G
RFA - 1
NJD
Siegenthaler, Jonas
1 125 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
NJD
Smith, Ty
863 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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2 déc. 2021 à 15 h 32
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Mercer has been absolutely insane.

This is dumb.
2 déc. 2021 à 15 h 39
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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart
Mercer has been absolutely insane.

This is dumb.


so Mercer has more value??? I thought the comments were gonna be flipped
2 déc. 2021 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: NoWah49
so Mercer has more value??? I thought the comments were gonna be flipped


I didn’t say he had more value.

But why would you trade a guy who has been amazing for a guy that has been disappointing?

Just doesn’t make sense
2 déc. 2021 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart
I didn’t say he had more value.

But why would you trade a guy who has been amazing for a guy that has been disappointing?

Just doesn’t make sense


more for the potential, it's not like the Devils are going anywhere this year
2 déc. 2021 à 15 h 46
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Quoting: NoWah49
more for the potential, it's not like the Devils are going anywhere this year


Mercer showing that he has more potential than we original thought.

Caufield is showing that he might’ve over-performed.

Obviously both have small sample sizes, too small to judge. It would be silly to make this type of trade unless they both struggle until about 22-23 years old and need a change of scenery, but Mercer and Caufield are both 20. Very young and both have tons of potential and time to unlock more of it.
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2 déc. 2021 à 15 h 59
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Mercer is better
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2 déc. 2021 à 16 h 37
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Quoting: Wadejos123
Mercer is better


significantly. better two-way game, size, tenacity, hands, production (to this point).
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2 déc. 2021 à 16 h 39
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Quoting: NoWah49
so Mercer has more value??? I thought the comments were gonna be flipped


A lot more value. Plays two-way game, plays center, plays all special teams, is mature beyond his years. And that flow...
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2 déc. 2021 à 16 h 53
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Caufield has to learn he not Ovi
People figured out his spot now they know how to approach defending him
Last year he was a NCAA kid inserted to help replace Drouins loss
No one knew what to expect and he slowly built up heat starting in Laval then in regular season finishing 3rd in Playoff scoring for MTL.

He needs to reserve his shot from the inside of the circle for PP or break aways
But what made him unique was his ability to shoot with accuracy while skating without breaking stride.
He hasnt been doing that at all anymore but that's the key to him having success by utilizing his speed and shooting
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2 déc. 2021 à 18 h 50
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Mercer>Caufield

Mercer is the more complete player
2 déc. 2021 à 19 h 21
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Quoting: Billy739
Caufield has to learn he not Ovi
People figured out his spot now they know how to approach defending him
Last year he was a NCAA kid inserted to help replace Drouins loss
No one knew what to expect and he slowly built up heat starting in Laval then in regular season finishing 3rd in Playoff scoring for MTL.

He needs to reserve his shot from the inside of the circle for PP or break aways
But what made him unique was his ability to shoot with accuracy while skating without breaking stride.
He hasnt been doing that at all anymore but that's the key to him having success by utilizing his speed and shooting


Even Ovie doesn’t play like Caufield at 5v5. He hits, he forechecks and he wins puck battles. Caufield is too small, he’s going to have to be a Brett Hull type player and with the way the NHL is played today, there’s no guarantee he’ll remain successful.
2 déc. 2021 à 19 h 24
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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart
I didn’t say he had more value.

But why would you trade a guy who has been amazing for a guy that has been disappointing?

Just doesn’t make sense


Quoting: Wadejos123
Mercer is better


Quoting: zyyyp
significantly. better two-way game, size, tenacity, hands, production (to this point).


Quoting: NHLfan10506
A lot more value. Plays two-way game, plays center, plays all special teams, is mature beyond his years. And that flow...


Quoting: Devil1122
Mercer>Caufield

Mercer is the more complete player


I’m not arguing that Mercer is the better player ability wise but in terms of trade value, I always give greater value to the player who is more proven. All of Mercer’s success has come in the regular season, Caufield proved himself in the playoffs. I will admit, Caufield maybe overrated as a goalscorer. Cuz a lot of the ones he scored last year were ones the goalie should have had.
2 déc. 2021 à 19 h 57
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
I’m not arguing that Mercer is the better player ability wise but in terms of trade value, I always give greater value to the player who is more proven. All of Mercer’s success has come in the regular season, Caufield proved himself in the playoffs. I will admit, Caufield maybe overrated as a goalscorer. Cuz a lot of the ones he scored last year were ones the goalie should have had.


I love Caufield and think he will be an NHL goal-scorer.

But hard to ignore Mercer's track-record. He put up 1.7 pts-per-game last year while winning CHL version of Selke award. And was probably the best overall forward on Canada's World Junior team. Now he is doing in NHL. At this point in career, what else could he have done to "prove himself"?
2 déc. 2021 à 19 h 58
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
Even Ovie doesn’t play like Caufield at 5v5. He hits, he forechecks and he wins puck battles. Caufield is too small, he’s going to have to be a Brett Hull type player and with the way the NHL is played today, there’s no guarantee he’ll remain successful.


Today he does
until he was 30 he was garbage outside his offensive game
people forget all to easy how bad he was as he'd score a goal then be responsible for the next 2 on turnovers he refused to back check on instead skating slowly to the bench

That said Caufield Defense was why he didnt start the season in Laval
Right now its the fact he's a 1 trick pony shooting from the same spot Ovi made famous
Gotta remember Ovi is Caufield Gretzky as he even adopted his number at WJC the year he tied Ovi's nearly 20 year old scoring record.
That's why i used the comparison because it feels like he's just trying to mimic Ovi instead of doing what made him 3rd in playoffs scoring for MTL's SCF
He has the ability to shoot in stride without giving up momentium and even when he doesnt scoring the rebounds it created gave him a decent amount of assists.
His quick release is how he'll have success not in standing inside the faceoffs circle in the OZ like Ovi

Our big worry is if we keep him up like Lehkonen he'll become Defense only
People forget Lehkonen came in breaking Alfredssons record over sea's in the playoffs then coming to MTL scoring 18 goals of which 6 of them and 11 points came in the final 12 games helping MTL beat out TBL that year but a single point for the last playoff spot. Put on a Offensive line with Chucky/Shaw he dominated and was 1/4 habs to show up in the playoffs with 4 points in 6 games.

Then we kept him up and when he struggled offensively instead of developing him in the AHL we put him on 3rd line in Gallagher's old spot after he took Radulov's from him 3 weeks into CJ tenure.
If you dont develop a player right a good goal scoring prospect can turning into a defensive bottom 6 back checker before their 25
 
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