If Vancouver wants to make moves at Deadline just a thought

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Créé par: NDoody

Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa

Date de création initiale: 30 nov. 2021

Publié: 30 nov. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Vancouver seems like they might be ready to make some big changes, so if they want to move on from Boeser, then a landing spot could be Ottawa, they are in need of Right Shot top 6 forwards, so this is just a thought about how it could work out especially since Sens would be trading for a pending UFA, the thought would be that they would resign him as well.

With this lineup, it is based on the Sens seemingly changing their mind and allowing Stuztle to start playing C. now I for one believe that this isn't going to stick and that Pinto will grow to be a true 2C as he has a great faceoff % so then it also gives the flexibility to make the second and third lines as such

Stuztle - Pinto - Batherson
Formenton - Paul - C Brown

This also Gives some flexibility if players like Paul and Brown are also moved to bring in players like Greig and Sokolov.

In general cleaning house, a little for the sens, and this moves creates a lot more flexibility in their lineup by adding more Right shot players with the new addition of Gaudette as well.

Since I am going off what the sens lineup could be around deadline time I have included Sanderson and others that could see time towards the end of the season.

The scratheced players would be players that Sens also find a way to move for whatever.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Sanderson, Jake		3	925 000 $

Transactions

OTT

Boeser, Brock

VAN

Brännström, Erik
White, Colin
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (BOS)

Détails additionnels:

The main part here would be Branstrom, but White would be valuable to Van as a reliable 3 C for the long term, but add in other players such as

Watson
Sanford

Also because of Whites Cap Sens could retain 1.5 of the contract and remove 3rd round pic from the deal.

Rachats de contrats

Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $

Enfoui

Matt Murray: 3 562 500 $ (4 687 500 $)

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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
30	81 500 000 $	72 489 924 $	0 $	4 922 500 $	9 010 076 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tkachuk, Brady 8 330 674 $8 330 674 $ AG UFA - 7	Norris, Joshua 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) C UFA - 1	Boeser, Brock 5 875 000 $5 875 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Formenton, Alex 747 500 $747 500 $ (107 500 $$108K) AG RFA - 1	Stützle, Tim 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C UFA - 2	Batherson, Drake 4 975 000 $4 975 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 6
Paul, Nicholas 749 250 $749 250 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Pinto, Shane 925 000 $925 000 $ (600 000 $$600K) C RFA - 2	Brown, Connor 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Sanford, Zachary 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Gaudette, Adam 997 500 $997 500 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Ennis, Tyler 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Greig, Ridly 894 167 $894 167 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Kelly, Parker 726 667 $726 667 $ AG RFA - 1	Sokolov, Egor 818 333 $818 333 $ (15 000 $$15K) AG RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chabot, Thomas 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ DG UFA - 7	Thomson, Lassi 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) DD RFA - 3	Gustavsson, Filip 787 500 $787 500 $ G UFA - 2
Sanderson, Jake 925 000 $925 000 $	Zub, Artem 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Forsberg, Anton 900 000 $900 000 $ G UFA - 1
Mete, Victor 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Bernard-Docker, Jacob 925 000 $925 000 $ (425 000 $$425K) DD RFA - 2
	Brown, Joshua 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Gambrell, Dylan 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ C UFA - 1
Watson, Austin 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Del Zotto, Michael 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG UFA - 2
Zaitsev, Nikita 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3
Tierney, Chris 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C UFA - 1
Holden, Nick 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ DG UFA - 1

30 nov. 2021 à 14 h 7

Borocop

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think wed be more looking at white jbd and a first, brannstrom doesnt hold as much value as people think and doesnt really fit for vancouver, and the third rounder is pretty uninteresting for them imo when they're sending out boeser

30 nov. 2021 à 14 h 15

cooliny

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Quoting: Borocop

Yes or JBD and Pinto but Senators would not want to move Pinto

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30 nov. 2021 à 14 h 19

Borocop

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Quoting: cooliny

Yes or JBD and Pinto but Senators would not want to move Pinto

yeah pinto would be a no-go i would think, too few centres in the system to move out a really good one. Would also be looking to add to the NHL roster so taking one of our better NHL centres away from the team doesnt really do that imo

30 nov. 2021 à 14 h 37

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Quoting: Borocop

I see Boesner as having a down year really which would bring his value down, plus he has a pending RFA contract needed this summer, so his value I don't see being anywhere near JDB and a 1st.
If things keep sliding the way they have in Vancouver then again the deals will not be as great.

Branstrom is still a great player that is versatile and could use a change of scenery.

30 nov. 2021 à 15 h 58

sensibleguy

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OTT
Boeser, Brock
VAN
White, Colin
Brännström, Erik
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
The main part here would be Branstrom, but White would be valuable to Van as a reliable 3 C for the long term, but add in other players such as

Watson
Sanford

Also because of Whites Cap Sens could retain 1.5 of the contract and remove 3rd round pic from the deal.

I'm not going to say this is a good offer, or a bad offer, but you've fallen into the same trap that fans from other teams fall in. Create your lineup, identify the players that don't fit your lineup idea, offer those players for one that does. Why would VAN want White or Brannstrom, and be specific, not some generic, they are good players that all teams would love to have. If you try to find arguments to fit your idea, you're not being honest. Ask yourself, what does VAN need, and start there. Maybe it's Zub, or Thomson, or maybe it's Batherson. Then realize, do you want Boeser more than those guys? Creating trades is easy, if you just add the players you don't want. Creating trades that make sense isn't easy to do.

As for the trade, Ottawa isn't retaining on White, they would buy him out before they did that.

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30 nov. 2021 à 19 h 12

cooliny

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Quoting: Borocop

Would Ottawa consider adding a little bit to Pinto? Cause I like him lol

30 nov. 2021 à 19 h 13

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Modifié 30 nov. 2021 à 19 h 25

Quoting: Borocop

Yeah, Brannstrom's value has started plummeting last season. He still has good value but that value is going down every month that he is in the AHL or injured... I think you could get him for a 2nd round pick after next season training camp (unless things change until then)

Asset management is probably something Dorion still doesn't understand up to this day

Quoting: cooliny

Would Ottawa consider adding a little bit to Pinto? Cause I like him lol

Pettersson would probably be the only Van player Ottawa would consider building a package around Pinto for

1 déc. 2021 à 10 h 4

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Quoting: sensibleguy

OTT
Boeser, Brock
VAN
White, Colin
Brännström, Erik
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
The main part here would be Branstrom, but White would be valuable to Van as a reliable 3 C for the long term, but add in other players such as

Watson
Sanford

Also because of Whites Cap Sens could retain 1.5 of the contract and remove 3rd round pic from the deal.

I'm not going to say this is a good offer, or a bad offer, but you've fallen into the same trap that fans from other teams fall in. Create your lineup, identify the players that don't fit your lineup idea, offer those players for one that does. Why would VAN want White or Brannstrom, and be specific, not some generic, they are good players that all teams would love to have. If you try to find arguments to fit your idea, you're not being honest. Ask yourself, what does VAN need, and start there. Maybe it's Zub, or Thomson, or maybe it's Batherson. Then realize, do you want Boeser more than those guys? Creating trades is easy, if you just add the players you don't want. Creating trades that make sense isn't easy to do.

As for the trade, Ottawa isn't retaining on White, they would buy him out before they did that.

"Create your lineup, identify the players that don't fit your lineup idea, offer those players for one that does."

This should probably be on CapFriendly's mission statement. Well said

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1 déc. 2021 à 10 h 16

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Quoting: Xspyrit

That offer is not enough to get Boeser

White, Colin (1.5 M$ retained)
Brännström, Erik
Thomson, Lassi
2022 2nd round pick (BOS)

Maybe they start thinking, 2 late firsts and 2 seconds (have to retain on White to give him some value)

Yeah, Brannstrom's value has started plummeting last season. He still has good value but that value is going down every month that he is in the AHL or injured... I think you could get him for a 2nd round pick after next season training camp (unless things change until then)

Asset management is probably something Dorion still doesn't understand up to this day

Pettersson would probably be the only Van player Ottawa would consider building a package around Pinto for

Thompson would be an untouchable for me right now.

If Sens do go hunting for a bigger role top 6 forward like this, I think in hind sight that players to offer are
C Brown
Paul
Branstrom

1 déc. 2021 à 10 h 23

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Quoting: sensibleguy

While I understand your comments, This wasn't more about players that don't fit my lineup. I would love to keep Branstrom, I still think he and JDB would form an amazing 2nd pairing for Sens long term. It was more of, hey if Vancouver keeps sliding and the pressure keeps growing to make changes wholesale, then what can Ottawa get away with closer to the deadline. I should have explained that a little better in the description.

If I was doing this trade right now, I would probably trade out C Brown for White then include Branstrom and a 2nd. C Brown would be very valuable to a team like VAn that will need some good cost-effective and two-way players.

That said if the trade isn't there then I wouldn't push it. For me, Thompson, JDB, Pinto would be untouchables. with the contracts Norris and Stuztle are likely to get incoming seasons unless Dorian pulls some magic out of his hat, these ELC contracts are going to start becoming important.

1 déc. 2021 à 13 h 30

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Quoting: NDoody

i think pinto is pretty universally untouchable for boeser but one of JBD/thomson may have to go and id be pretty okay with in. Could just transition Sanderson to RD and put major emphasis on re-signing zub.. have to give value to get value

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1 déc. 2021 à 15 h 36

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Quoting: NDoody

None of that pushes the needle for Vancouver. They will have easily much better offers for BB. JDB and a protected first would be the minimum or there is no point for them. White is a buy out candidate and Branstrom would be yet another undersized D (never mind the questionable upside). They will only move guys out if the deal helps them and this is definitely not such a deal.

1 déc. 2021 à 15 h 54

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All right all right, anyone who think that Boeser's value has plummeted is sorely mistaken. He was easily Vancouver's best forward last season and he could easily be having a blip in his production this year and bounce back the next year. A player needs to have at least two consecutive down years before a narrative about declining play is really able to catch on

2 déc. 2021 à 8 h 28

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Quoting: NDoody

Thompson would be an untouchable for me right now.

If Sens do go hunting for a bigger role top 6 forward like this, I think in hind sight that players to offer are
C Brown
Paul
Branstrom

Can't have too many "untouchables", outside of Pinto and Sanderson, not many prospects should have that title (I'd say Greig and Sogaard would be my other ones). But I agree we should KEEP ONE of Thomson OR Bernard-Docker no matter what happen.

Brown, Paul, Brannstrom is a bit of an odd package because Paul is UFA, Brown has 1 year and Brannstrom is a "future asset"

I understand the desire to settle these files but Brown is the only quality veteran the team has, the team can't win games because of that reason. The young players are thrown to the wolves. So this just goes in the same mismanagement direction Dorion has been going.

Quoting: NDoody

I would love to keep Branstrom, I still think he and JDB would form an amazing 2nd pairing for Sens long term.

Jake Sanderson?

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