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Gortons Liquidation Sale

Créé par: Nobokov
Date de création initiale: 29 nov. 2021
Publié: 29 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
This is what I would try to do were I Jeff Gorton to liquidate the Canadiens roster. I believe that this would set them on the best path towards eventual contention, and I think that the values for each player are in line with the established trades of similar players in the past. Obviously there are NTC and NMC issues to take into account, but in some cases (like Price to EDM for example) I assume they would waive based on prior events (like in this example how Price was willing to waive to go to Seattle.)
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Lavoie, Raphael
  2. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Chiarot, Ben
Détails additionnels:
Reports state that Ben Chiarot should return at least a 1st, and that Ken Holland is willing to part with futures for a defenseman. Chiarot is a playoff warrior who I can imagine Holland, a more traditional GM, highly valuing, so hence his return being a 1st and Raphael Lavioe, a former top-40 pick who may need a change of scenery. To me this is a highly reasonable trade for both sides.
2.
MTL
  1. Smith, Craig
  2. Moore, John
  3. Vaakanainen, Urho
  4. 2022 1e round pick (BOS)
  5. 2023 3e round pick (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Bruins get a player tailor-made for the way they like their power forwards. It was reported last year that the Bruins were one of the runners-up to the Habs for Anderson last offseason, so I think there is real interest there. He would be an upgrade on Craig Smith and with John Moore added it would be an almost cash-neutral trade. The Bruins recieve a fast goal scorer with size and many years of team control. The Canadiens recieve another first round pick to add to the cupboard and a former 1st rounder in Urho Vaakanainen who can step in and replace Ben Chiarot to 1) help with the tank and 2) allow the Canadiens to see if a change of scenery can revive Urho's career. I think that this is a trade both teams make.
BOS
  1. Anderson, Josh
3.
MTL
  1. Keith, Duncan
  2. Koskinen, Mikko
  3. Samorukov, Dmitri
  4. Benson, Tyler
Détails additionnels:
The clock is ticking for Edmonton. They need to win a cup soon. Mikko Koskinen and Mike Smith won't win McDavid and Drai a cup. Carey Price, on the other hand? That's someone who makes this team truly special. Yes, I know there are concerns. Price hasn't played yet, sure. But he is getting the help he needs and will likely be better off going forward. Smith and Skinner can hold down the fort. Price is also expensive, but I have added Koskinen and Duncan Keith (replaced by Price and Chiarot, respectively) to balance the money, giving Holland two years to figure out a fit for Price. And then the compensation for the two upgrades: Dmiri Samorukov and Tyler Benson are two prospects that are older and can play in the NHL now. MTL should be stacking the lineup with young players, seeing what value they can mine. These two guys help that, and for Edmonton it is a digestible and reasonable asking price to acquire a goalie who can backstop this team to a cup. I seriously think that this is the kind of win-now move Ken Holland would make.
EDM
  1. Price, Carey
4.
MTL
  1. Zadorov, Nikita
  2. Emilio Pettersen, Mathias
  3. 2022 2e round pick (CGY)
  4. 2022 2e round pick (FLA)
CGY
  1. Edmundson, Joel
  2. Kulak, Brett
Détails additionnels:
Edmundson is a top-4 defenseman who excelled in the playoffs. He has the kind of traits GM's covet and will surely help Calgary play the kind of game Darryl Sutter likes to play. He is reasonably priced at $3.5MM with some term left, so I believe that the upgrade on Nikita Zadorov for CGY's PK and 2nd pairing, as well as adding Brett Kulak to be the high-quality #7 (and break-glass-in-case-of-emergency Kylington replacement) is worth the two seconds and a prospect I like in Emilio Pettersen.
5.
MTL
  1. Pánik, Richard
  2. Salo, Robin
  3. 2022 5e round pick (NYI)
  4. 2022 3e round pick (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
The Islanders need scoring, and I don't think Lou is going to give up on this season. Here they add an Eberle replacement in Hoffman who can slide right in and boost Mat Barzal plus the sagging power play. They also get to dump Richard Panik, who cleared waivers and is a cap dump here. The cost for them is relatively light, a 3rd, 5th, and Robin Salo (who is the only real loss here as a young dman who is borderline NHL ready and isa a potential #5) and I think it's a deal both teams do without hesitation.
NYI
  1. Hoffman, Mike
6.
MTL
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
  2. Jones, Zachary
  3. 2022 2e round pick (NYR)
  4. 2022 2e round pick (STL)
NYR
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
  2. Allen, Jake
Détails additionnels:
Consider this trade as two parts. The first is Tyler Toffoli to the Rangers. Their current top-6 right wingers are Kaapo Kakko and Dryden Hunt. I like Kakko, but for a team that has fancies itself a cup contender to-be, that won't cut it. Toffoli can't skate, but he can do nearly everything else, and has had a decent start to this season (15 in 23 on a team like MTL is nothing to scoff at) after an incredible season last year. At $4.25MM for the next 3 years, he is the kind of cheap top-6 option the Rangers, soon to be highly expensive, would covet. Toffoli is seriously valuable, and I therefore think that Zac Jones and a 2nd round pick would be a fair return for him. Jones is incredibly talented and tough to lose for NYR, but you have to give to get and Jones could end up redundant in NY with Nils and Fox anyway. For the Habs, this is the chance to get a young, dynamic defenseman just before he breaks out in the NHL, along with a good pick in case I'm wrong about Jones. The second part of the trade is the Rangers spending a 2nd to upgrade Alexandar Georgiev with Jake Allen. That part seems clear-cut and reasonable to me. Overall this is a trade I am DYING for both teams to make.
7.
MTL
  1. 2022 5e round pick (TOR)
ANA
  1. Zadorov, Nikita
Détails additionnels:
Anaheim is doing well and gives its locker room a boost by adding a physical, veteran defenseman on a simple rental deal at a cheap price. This is the type of light buying the Ducks should do and the Habs get to clear a contract slot and a late pick. (Maybe MTL retains a bit on Zadorov too to stay above cap floor)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Brett Kulak: 925 000 $ (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
  • Artturi Lehkonen: 1 150 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • John Moore: 1 625 000 $ (2 750 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $65 841 856 $597 561 $1 557 500 $15 658 144 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Lehkonen, Artturi
1 150 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C
UFA - 1
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Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG, AD, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
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Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
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Benson, Tyler
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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Smith, Craig
3 100 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
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Pánik, Richard
1 375 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Pezzetta, Michael
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Paquette, Cédric
950 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Jones, Zachary
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Koskinen, Mikko
4 500 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
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Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
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Georgiev, Alexandar
2 425 000 $
G
RFA - 1
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Norlinder, Mattias
859 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
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Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Samorukov, Dmitri
825 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Perreault, Mathieu
950 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
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Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5
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Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2

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29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 14
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Kylington is our top 4 dman. No need for Edmunson. I would be interested in Toffoli tho
29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 15
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oilers pass easily i dont see them even givng up a first for him let alone a 1st +
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29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 15
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The thing that’s wildly misguided here is Anderson. It’s a question of whether he’s negative value because that contract is just too long, or if he’s kind of neutral, and maybe some time will throw a late pick at him.

I think Moore for Anderson might be fair, but this is crazy town.
29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 17
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They also arent adding 10Million in goaltending they dont have the space for it next season. let alone 5 more.

also keith doesnt waive to got to last place MTL
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29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 19
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Price has too much term to work around for Edmonton so that easily kills that deal.
Chiarot I do think Holland will be in on and I could even see a first being in play but Lavoie is really pushing it too far in my opinion.
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No chance im reading all that but I agree or I disagree
29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 20
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Yeah no way either trade happens for edmonton holland has said again and again he won't give up a first for a rental and no way keith waives to last place montreal
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Isles will pass.

Team has higher expectations than being a #5 for Salo, he is looked at as the Leddy/ Toews replacement.

Panik doesn't need to be dumped, when he is sent back down he only costs $250K against the cap.
29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 35
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No way you get Keith to accept moving further away from family.
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29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 18
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Yeah no way either trade happens for edmonton holland has said again and again he won't give up a first for a rental and no way keith waives to last place montreal
so then Edmundson would be a better fit
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Quoting: Timmah007
Price has too much term to work around for Edmonton so that easily kills that deal.
Chiarot I do think Holland will be in on and I could even see a first being in play but Lavoie is really pushing it too far in my opinion.


That's reasonable, I just thought with his slow start in Bakersfield maybe that could get the deal over the finish line in a deadline bidding war
29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 21
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
The thing that’s wildly misguided here is Anderson. It’s a question of whether he’s negative value because that contract is just too long, or if he’s kind of neutral, and maybe some time will throw a late pick at him.

I think Moore for Anderson might be fair, but this is crazy town.


I think that he has positive value for the right team, which is why I chose Boston here. I think he would be an absolutely fantastic fit there with Taylor Hall
29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 39
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The Islanders have had so many chances to get Hoffman over the past few years and they clearly dont want to touch him with a 10 foot pole. Let alone give up their nhl ready top D prospect already playing very well in the NHL. And adding high picks to that?
I think they are in heavy after Chiarot but i also heard Elliote Friedman say on his podcast that Montreal will ask for a 1st for him but based on the year hes having, no team is going to be willing to do that for a rental. He said its pretty reasonable to think the return would be a 2nd plus a solid prospect or young NHL player. The fact that Savard got a 1st last year was bc he's a right shot D, which are way more valuable, and also the fact that the Lightning knew thier pick was going to be essentially a 2nd round pick. Chiarot doesnt hold the same value.
What i think is an intriguing idea is a Anderson for Wahlstrom swap. Wahlstrom has a higher ceiling if he pans out and already is scoring at a 30 goal pace per 60. He was their leading goal scorer while playing the least minutes on the entire team bc Trotz doesnt trust him defensively yet. Anderson is in his prime and would fit the Isles heavy win now mentality. It makes sense to me based on what both teams are looking to do
29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 42
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I’d rather have Smith and the 1st than that contract. No thanks.
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29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 50
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That's reasonable, I just thought with his slow start in Bakersfield maybe that could get the deal over the finish line in a deadline bidding war


Selling low on a prospect in his first full AHL year is really not Holland's style though. He loves to slow bake the young guys, doesn't usually panic when they don't immediately produce. Holland's best attribute.
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I think that he has positive value for the right team, which is why I chose Boston here. I think he would be an absolutely fantastic fit there with Taylor Hall


Maybe. Maybe for a year. Maybe for two. But then look at that contract.

Eat 50% and then there’s some value. I doubt he would get claimed on waivers.
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Quoting: Nobokov
so then Edmundson would be a better fit


Yeah sure I like that for us
29 nov. 2021 à 17 h 43
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I’d rather have Smith and the 1st than that contract. No thanks.


Agreed. Would love to have Anderson but where Boston really needs help is at center ice and that 2022 1st might be there best chance to get it. Not trading it period. If things have gone south by deadline time Smith is also a very tradeable asset.
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Maybe. Maybe for a year. Maybe for two. But then look at that contract.

Eat 50% and then there’s some value. I doubt he would get claimed on waivers.


He would get claimed guaranteed. At worst there is a sucker born every minute. At best the right team with the right fit for him, it's a homerun.
29 nov. 2021 à 18 h 16
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He would get claimed guaranteed. At worst there is a sucker born every minute. At best the right team with the right fit for him, it's a homerun.


Then maybe some team would give up a 5th for him…but not a haul.
29 nov. 2021 à 19 h 12
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Quoting: oilsince95
Selling low on a prospect in his first full AHL year is really not Holland's style though. He loves to slow bake the young guys, doesn't usually panic when they don't immediately produce. Holland's best attribute.


True, forgot about that
30 nov. 2021 à 7 h 46
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Liquidation sale means you get things below value, none of these trades fit that bill
Oilers decline both trades, no ones taking on Price for 5 yrs at full value any move regarding Price starts at 50% retained salary
Oilers aren't trading a first and a prospect for Chariot at best a second rounder, everyones wants to point out the Savard deal and Foligno deals from last yr, you had one team desperately trying to take advantage of there roster as they knew in the offseason they had to let guys walk, Hyman and the bolts where trying to repeat and they also knew they had major cap issues moving forward, ask Leaf fans what they thought of that deal, don't see Holland being desperate as the team is only going to continue to get better as the young guys get experience, Edmontons not desperate like the leafs were
 
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