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Trades that could happen with explanation

Créé par: Minimont
Date de création initiale: 29 nov. 2021
Publié: 29 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
Tried my best! Please be indulgent! ;)
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. 2022 1e round pick (MTL)
ARI
  1. 2022 1e round pick (CAR)
2.
MTL
  1. 2023 1e round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Chiarot, Ben (1 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Having a big defender that can move the puck like Chiarot is an incredible move for the playoffs! Furthermore, the value for a defenseman is so high it’s crazy!
3.
MTL
  1. 2022 2e round pick (STL)
NYR
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
  2. Paquette, Cédric
Détails additionnels:
Getting a lot of depth with these defensive players with high motors! It might be a little to high for these players but lekhonen is still a rfa at the end of the season and that adds value
4.
MTL
  1. 2022 6e round pick (DET)
TBL
  1. Perreault, Mathieu
Détails additionnels:
Good bottom lines player that can add offense.
5.
MTL
  1. 2023 4e round pick (WSH)
  2. 2022 6e round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Kulak, Brett
Détails additionnels:
Once, a great dg said that you can never have too many defenseman
6.
MTL
  1. 2024 4e round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Wideman, Chris
Détails additionnels:
He has a very good season and is he right handed
7.
MTL
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Bourgault, Xavier [Liste de réserve]
  3. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Price, Carey (5 250 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
I mean… it might be fantasy but I think the value is still there with Carey Price and he can lead this team to at least a final until he’s out.
8.
MTL
  1. 2022 7e round pick (ARI)
SJS
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Ben Chiarot: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
  • Carey Price: 5 250 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
MTL
EDM
MTL
STL
MTL
ANA
CAR
MTL
TBL
MTL
MTL
DET
WSH
MTL
STL
ARI
2023
MTL
COL
MTL
MTL
MTL
WSH
MTL
MTL
MTL
2024
MTL
MTL
MTL
WPG
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $71 165 894 $597 561 $1 557 500 $10 334 106 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Hoffman, Mike
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Pezzetta, Michael
750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
MTL
Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
MTL
Montembeault, Samuel
750 000 $
G
RFA - 1
MTL
Norlinder, Mattias
859 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
MTL
Niku, Sami
750 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Ouellet, Xavier
737 500 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5

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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 12
#1
MTL AGM v5
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"Having a big defender that can move the puck like Chiarot is an incredible move for the playoffs! Furthermore, the value for a defenseman is so high it’s crazy!"

Well he is indeed known as a playoffs guy, but a puck-mover, really? He has the worst transition stats of the team since he's been on the Habs if I recall correctly.
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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 13
#2
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most of these are good. no one is paying for price tho.
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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 19
#3
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avs arent paying a 1st for a guy who wouldnt crack their top 4.
And hes not a puck mover, far from it
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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 23
#4
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If price had 3 less years on his contract I’d take that deal. But with his age, contract length, inconsistency and injury problems I’m not keen on going for him even at half retention.
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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 30
#5
Lenny7
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Quoting: SevenLeg
"Having a big defender that can move the puck like Chiarot is an incredible move for the playoffs! Furthermore, the value for a defenseman is so high it’s crazy!"

Well he is indeed known as a playoffs guy, but a puck-mover, really? He has the worst transition stats of the team since he's been on the Habs if I recall correctly.


Yeah, but if you try to sell it like a used car salesman, it makes it true, especially if you use a lot of exclamation marks!
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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 30
#6
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Quoting: Lenny7
Yeah, but if you try to sell it like a used car salesman, it makes it true, especially if you use a lot of exclamation marks!


hahah
29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 35
#7
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Oilers reject, Price is basically a cap dump with little gas left in the tank.
29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 36
#8
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Let’s see Makar, Byram, Girard, Toews hell even EJ, why in the heck would the Avs need Chiarot? Why do MTL fans think that the Avs who have a significantly better GM are going to make stupid trades?
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29 nov. 2021 à 10 h 46
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In my opinion, Chiarot would be a nice fit on Colorado’s blue line. They have a lot of great puck movers already, so a heavier shut-down guy who can still move his feet would be a nice compliment. He could take some heavier PK minutes away from their top D.

However, like @coga16 & @Xqb15a mentioned, Chiarot would come in as their #6 defenseman. Is he a valuable player? Sure. Is another team going to pay a 1st rounder for him? It wouldn’t surprise me at all. But for Colorado, they could make better use of their assets to address more pressing needs.
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29 nov. 2021 à 11 h 5
#10
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Quoting: Mergus80
In my opinion, Chiarot would be a nice fit on Colorado’s blue line. They have a lot of great puck movers already, so a heavier shut-down guy who can still move his feet would be a nice compliment. He could take some heavier PK minutes away from their top D.

However, like coga16 & Xqb15a mentioned, Chiarot would come in as their #6 defenseman. Is he a valuable player? Sure. Is another team going to pay a 1st rounder for him? It wouldn’t surprise me at all. But for Colorado, they could make better use of their assets to address more pressing needs.


id put him at #5. given his play in the playoffs i'd put him ahead of the johnson's. still behind makar, toews, girard, and byram.
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29 nov. 2021 à 11 h 29
#11
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Quoting: Mergus80
In my opinion, Chiarot would be a nice fit on Colorado’s blue line. They have a lot of great puck movers already, so a heavier shut-down guy who can still move his feet would be a nice compliment. He could take some heavier PK minutes away from their top D.

However, like coga16 & Xqb15a mentioned, Chiarot would come in as their #6 defenseman. Is he a valuable player? Sure. Is another team going to pay a 1st rounder for him? It wouldn’t surprise me at all. But for Colorado, they could make better use of their assets to address more pressing needs.


yup, exactly. Just not the fit in Colorado and adding on the blue line isnt a priority of theirs going into the TDL. Murray/Jack Johnson have been more than suitable 6th/7th dmem
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 5
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Quoting: coga16
yup, exactly. Just not the fit in Colorado and adding on the blue line isnt a priority of theirs going into the TDL. Murray/Jack Johnson have been more than suitable 6th/7th dmem


Sometimes watching Murray and J Johnson frustrates me, but then I remember that Keaton Middleton and Greg Pateryn played games for the Avs last year, and Patrik Nemeth was their big deadline add on defense. Suddenly Murray and J Johnson don’t seem that bad.
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 10
#13
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Quoting: Lenny7
Yeah, but if you try to sell it like a used car salesman, it makes it true, especially if you use a lot of exclamation marks!
. Well Savard got traded for a first last year even tho he’s not good so I don’t think I’m that far from reality
29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 46
#14
Lenny7
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Quoting: Minimont
. Well Savard got traded for a first last year even tho he’s not good so I don’t think I’m that far from reality


Quoting: Minimont
. Well Savard got traded for a first last year even tho he’s not good so I don’t think I’m that far from reality


It was more the original "Having a big defender that can move the puck like Chiarot is an incredible move for the playoffs!", because anybody who has watched him knows that's a big 'ol crock of balogney.

Could he net a 1st? Sure, there's a chance. But I don't think the Savard comp is the ideal comp. GMs have proven time and time again that they'll overpay for a big, shutdown RD, mainly because there's so few of them that are typically available. When it comes to LD's, just looking at this years market, there's a strong crop that will likely be available at the deadline. Just off of the top of my head, Gio, Hampus Lindholm, and Nick Leddy will likely be there, and I'm sure there's a decent number of others as well.

Also important to consider that over the past few years, the number of 1sts moved at the deadline for pending UFA's has been:
2021-3
2020-0 (There were 4 traded, One for Goodrow, one for Coleman, one for Kase, one for Skjei, all of whom had term remaining)
2019-1 (There were 2 others traded. One for Duchene, one for Muzzin.
2018-3 (There were a bunch of others moved throughout the year, but they were all for players with term)
2017-2
2016-2 (One of these is the last pending UFA LD to get a 1st in a trade...sort of...it was a conditional 1st that ended up as a 2nd)
2015-1 (Here's the actual last pending UFA LD to net a 1st. Keith Yandle, who had 41 pts in 63 games at the time of the trade, had a ton of name value, and was playing 24ish minutes a night)

So, 7 years, 1 LD who has brought back a 1st. Pretty wild to look back on, and as a Ducks fan, worries me about a possible return on Lindholm (Though, I'm still hoping for an extension).
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29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 50
#15
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Caps aren't currently looking for defensemen, even with the loss of Schultz. When everyone is healthy Cholo and Irwin are scratched and even with Schultz gone Irwin is already the 7D, and Washington has Alexeyev, McIlrath, and perhaps Johansen ready to play. They even have Kempny in the AHL should the situation allow for him to come up.
 
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