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Two birds with one stone

Créé par: TheBoyDuddus
Date de création initiale: 29 nov. 2021
Publié: 29 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Transactions
1.
OTT
  1. Kane, Evander
  2. 2023 3e round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Murray, Matt
Rachats de contrats
  • Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
  • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
OTT
OTT
TBL
OTT
BOS
VAN
OTT
OTT
OTT
NYI
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
SJS
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NSH
2024
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $72 702 340 $0 $4 932 500 $8 797 660 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
8 330 674 $
AG, C
UFA - 7
OTT
Norris, Joshua
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
4 975 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 6
SJS
Kane, Evander
7 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
OTT
Stützle, Tim
925 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Connor
3 600 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
OTT
Sanford, Zachary
2 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
OTT
Tierney, Chris
3 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
OTT
Watson, Austin
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
OTT
Formenton, Alex
747 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
1 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
OTT
Gaudette, Adam
997 500 $
C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
OTT
Thomson, Lassi
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
OTT
Gustavsson, Filip
787 500 $
G
RFA - 2
OTT
Mete, Victor
1 200 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Zub, Artem
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Holden, Nick
1 700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
OTT
Shaw, Logan
725 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
4 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
OTT
Del Zotto, Michael
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Joshua
1 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
OTT
Ennis, Tyler
900 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
OTT
Pinto, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Gambrell, Dylan
1 100 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Brännström, Erik
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1

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29 nov. 2021 à 2 h 20
#1
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No way the sharks do that. Murray is awful. I don’t even care that Kane has baggage he is a 30 goal scorer easy in a full season
29 nov. 2021 à 2 h 40
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Quoting: glarson17
No way the sharks do that. Murray is awful. I don’t even care that Kane has baggage he is a 30 goal scorer easy in a full season


Oh 100%, honestly this is more if he clears waivers and DanJose decides they don’t want him on the team regardless. You think he get claimed?
29 nov. 2021 à 2 h 56
#3
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No thanks. Murray makes 5.2 for three years and is a guy you never want playing, retaining on Kane would only cost us 3.5 x 3. Unless you pay a first theres no way we take an extra 2 mil a year
29 nov. 2021 à 3 h 3
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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
Oh 100%, honestly this is more if he clears waivers and DanJose decides they don’t want him on the team regardless. You think he get claimed?


No way he gets claimed and no way he reports to the AHL. He will have to be traded with retention
29 nov. 2021 à 3 h 34
#5
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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
Oh 100%, honestly this is more if he clears waivers and DanJose decides they don’t want him on the team regardless. You think he get claimed?


No chance. Kane's cap hit is very high and San Jose has expressed interest in retaining salary in a trade with him.

I wouldn't trade him for Murray though. Our goaltending is fine as is, and Murray has been having confidence issues that I don't think the Sharks are equipped to handle as of now.
29 nov. 2021 à 5 h 7
#6
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Quoting: papishark
No thanks. Murray makes 5.2 for three years and is a guy you never want playing, retaining on Kane would only cost us 3.5 x 3. Unless you pay a first theres no way we take an extra 2 mil a year


3,5M plus the amount Kane's replacement will make. Also, 3x1,6M after the 3x3,6M.

Murray has a cheaper deal with shorter term. A one for one trade would make sense for the Sharks cap-wise.
29 nov. 2021 à 5 h 12
#7
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Quoting: papishark
No thanks. Murray makes 5.2 for three years and is a guy you never want playing, retaining on Kane would only cost us 3.5 x 3. Unless you pay a first theres no way we take an extra 2 mil a year


Quoting: RaZZe
3,5M plus the amount Kane's replacement will make. Also, 3x1,6M after the 3x3,6M.

Murray has a cheaper deal with shorter term. A one for one trade would make sense for the Sharks cap-wise.


My bad, I thought you were talking about a buyout. I don't think anyone would take Kane with a 50% retention, however. I think teams will wait for a buyout to make him a DeAngelo type deal or ask for a sweetener for taking him, which the Sharks won't give.
29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 19
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Quoting: RaZZe
My bad, I thought you were talking about a buyout. I don't think anyone would take Kane with a 50% retention, however. I think teams will wait for a buyout to make him a DeAngelo type deal or ask for a sweetener for taking him, which the Sharks won't give.


The rumor now is theres a team in the east interested. We will wait and see. Still think id rather buyout than have Murray
29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 57
#9
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Quoting: papishark
The rumor now is theres a team in the east interested. We will wait and see. Still think id rather buyout than have Murray


How about a one for one deal, after which you buyout Murray?
29 nov. 2021 à 16 h 28
#10
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Quoting: RaZZe
How about a one for one deal, after which you buyout Murray?


Sure. Done with no retention
29 nov. 2021 à 16 h 31
#11
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Quoting: papishark
Sure. Done with no retention


Yeah, kinda like this deal proposed here minus the pick
29 nov. 2021 à 20 h 41
#12
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Quoting: RaZZe
Yeah, kinda like this deal proposed here minus the pick


Yeah I didnt know Murrarys contract details as well, but now that I look at it, if we couldnt find a 50% retained trade, this would be a good alternative.
30 nov. 2021 à 14 h 1
#13
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Quoting: RaZZe
Yeah, kinda like this deal proposed here minus the pick


Quoting: papishark
Yeah I didnt know Murrarys contract details as well, but now that I look at it, if we couldnt find a 50% retained trade, this would be a good alternative.


Quoting: areax91
No chance. Kane's cap hit is very high and San Jose has expressed interest in retaining salary in a trade with him.

I wouldn't trade him for Murray though. Our goaltending is fine as is, and Murray has been having confidence issues that I don't think the Sharks are equipped to handle as of now.


Quoting: glarson17
No way he gets claimed and no way he reports to the AHL. He will have to be traded with retention


We’ll see what happens but but they both cleared and might both benefit from the swap. Worst case scenario for Sj is Murray still sucks and you buy him out for less than what it would’ve been for Kane all while ridding yourself of the circus he brings.

Worst case scenario for Ottawa is Kane is still a massive off ice problem, never makes it to the ice and gets bought out for more than Murray’s buyout would’ve been. The potential of him getting his stuff under control and being a 30 goal scorer again is there but it’s small so I added a 3rd to compensate for the Sens taking the bigger risk along with the extra year of contract for a potential buyout.

Realistically the DeAngelo comparison is probably spot on
 
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