I would Keep JT Miller and Bo horvat. I would trade Petterson, hes got poor attitude and doesnt seem to want to win enough. Also Injury prone right?

Avs decline.

I can't say I agree with this at all. Injuries possibly but he's still young and has a lot of his career ahead of him.

I've seen other Avs fans on board with this and I've been running with it for a while. Do you think you value Barron more than they do?

I think they under value him mostly. Top RHD prospects are hard to come by. Exactly the reason every Canucks fan on here wants him and why you've been running with it for a while (along with almost every other Canucks fan). That gives an idea of value. He's basically designed to be EJ's replacement if all goes to plan so it's highly unlikely they're going to part with him. Especially not for a guy they won't be able to re-sign after his contract is up.

Johnson is on the bottom pairing; I don't think replacing him is high on the priority list and should be easy to do outside of Barron. If anything you may want him back on a much cheaper deal for his locker room presence and the fact that he's still good for his role.

I agree that RHDs are rare, but so are PPG centers who can play PP1 and PK1. They are never available; the only other one who MAY be available (but probably not) is Hertl, and even then Miller has an extra year on his deal. That is definitely valuable enough to warrant asking for a young RHD. Having MacKinnon - Miller - Kadri as your 1-2-3 punch down the middle is as good as it gets for a run this year and Miller will be able to replace Kadri next year. After that you could look to re-sign Miller if it works out or Newhook should be ready to fill that spot.

Essentially what I'm saying is that having the best center depth in the league for one year and 2C replacement next year for a cap hit under 4M should be worth more to a contender than replacing bottom pairing RD minutes with a young player. It makes you unreal this year and better next year without hurting your current roster in any way.

I can see your points. However, when I refer to replacing EJ I merely refer to him being a RHD who has been one of their top 4 for the last decade or so. Barron would be set for 2RHD, Helleson 3RHD. There is a plan in Colorado, and I don't think Sakic is likely to break that. He's hardly ever traded a top prospect and those small contracts will be extremely valuable to the Avs as time goes on. Sakic has managed the cap very well and the only thing that's really hurt the Avs cap-wise is Covid, and that's not something Joe could have foreseen. If you were looking for a LHD who could play on the right then I'd say there would be a perfect solution in Girard, even though the trade rumours at the time this site went nuts were false. Otherwise the Avs would logically be looking elsewhere. Thinking along the lines this is nearly all Canucks fans chasing this move, not Avs fans, that might explain something. Also, the Avs wouldn't want Miller to be playing centre. They ideally need a wing (and yes I know he can play either) so that means there are likely better options than giving up one of your top three prospects. If they wanted a centre out of Vancouver I'd prefer they went after Horvat. Then, because of the younger age of Horvat I might be willing to break from the plan if I were Sakic.

I actually agree with you up to a point. Whether the attitude etc is due to Vancouver or him though is up for debate. He seems almost stereotypical Russian rather than a Swede. Mercurial and a tendency to disappear. However we're in a minority I'm sure but I bet they could cash in big if they did decide to trade him as few see him as we do.

avs and rags say no

would you be interested in a 1 for 1. petterson for elite 1c Casey cizikas

Fair enough if you simply value preserving your own internal pipeline. Caps fans have been receptive to Lapierre + 1st so the Canucks could go there instead as center prospects will also work.

If you want Horvat the ask would be higher than Barron, likely Newhook + something small. I'm also assuming that an extension would be agreed upon or implied (without "tampering" lol) at the time of the trade.

Yes that's part of how teams are going to need to build in a tight post covid cap era, and fortunately that's how Sakic has managed things for the most part (plus sneaky fleecings here and there). That pipeline is essential not only to have the players to come through but also to manage the cap with their low contracts. The Washington trade might work a lot better but then would the Canucks be interested in Newhook for Horvat if they've already gone that route?

I'd have no issue with Newhook plus say a third rounder as the small something (as that's the highest we have left next draft, might as well go all in on one year's picks) for Horvat. That's a much more logical trade for both teams imho. Horvat becomes the next 2C for the Avs, rather than waiting for Newhook and Kadri is allowed to walk after (hopefully, and assuming he doesn't get suspended) a run at the cup. Newhook fits for the Canucks because if they're trading Miller and Horvat they're obviously going into rebuild (again?) and slots in nicely behind Pettersson as the future 2C in Vancouver.

Avs pass. Miller isn’t some magic unicorn the avs need

I understand trading Barron for Miller more than I do trading Newhook for Horvat. Miller for the reasons I talked about earlier, but if you turn Newhook into Horvat then you still lose Kadri for nothing. Next year it would be MacKinnon - Horvat - Compher rather than MacKinnon - Miller - Newhook. I'd rather have the second one. If your not going to re-sign Miller then I don't see how you would re-sign Horvat. If your willing to move someone out to make room then the same can be done with Miller right?

The deal makes sense for the Canucks, but in my head Miller for Barron makes more sense than Horvat for Newhook for the Avs.

NYR declines. You know absolutely nothing of the Laffy situation, and you want an elite player to save your train wreck of a team

MacK-Horvat is a much better one two punch than MacK with any of the other three, and you don't want to waste Newhook as a 3C. Miller's age factors in when re-signing vs Horvat. Plus the Avs then could look at using Girard for a trade involving a wing. The deal makes sense for both teams. Miller for Barron does for the Canucks but not for the Avs. But that of course is just an opinion as is all of this.

If Miller's age is deemed to be out of sync with the Avalanche then it makes sense. If the Canucks didn't already have Hughes then Girard would be a great fit for us too.

I guess I have one more question: How far away is Newhook from being a full time 2C?

I'm not honestly sure, and again just my opinion, couple of years I would say. He's good, may even be very good and he's starting to put it together but even MacK took some time to find his feet, so I'd say couple of years (including this one) before you could fully rely on him, maybe a little longer.

Motte for a 2nd?? What planet do you live on?