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Reversing every horrible trade that was ever made by Pierre Dorion

Créé par: sensonfire
Date de création initiale: 25 nov. 2021
Publié: 25 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Explications
If there was another horrible trade that was done by Pierre Dorion, just say what it is and I'll reverse it in a way that is fair and just for every team involved in it. .
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  1. Bowers, Shane
  2. Byram, Bowen
  3. Stienburg, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  4. Kamenev, Vladislav [Liste de réserve]
  5. Girard, Samuel
COL
    Matt Duchene


    I know the Nashville part of the package was never in Ottawa's possession.


    But it's pretty obvious that Nashville was willing to give it up for Kyle Turris.
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    1. Hammond, Andrew
    MIN
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      1. Hållander, Filip
      PIT
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          2018 5th round pick (FLA - #139 - Mikael Hakkarainen)
          2019 2nd round pick (FLA - #44 - Jamieson Rees)
          2018 4th round pick (VGK - #123 - Jack Gorniak)
          FLA
            Mike Hoffman trade is made with Florida instead of San Jose.


            Instead of getting Mikkel Boedker, we get the picks that Florida sent to San Jose and we don't get humiliated by Doug Wilson.
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            OTT
            1. Kinnunen, Santtu [Liste de réserve]
            FLA
            1. Novak, Jakov [Liste de réserve]
            Détails additionnels:
            Florida gets Ottawa's 7th round pick for 2018 instead of San Jose's.


            As part of the Mike Hoffman trade.
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              SJS
              1. Kinnunen, Santtu
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              1. Tullio, Tyler
              EDM
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                  SJS
                  1. Daoust, Philippe [Liste de réserve]
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                  1. Johansson, Albert
                  DET
                    Because San Jose used the 2nd round pick from the second Mike Hoffman trade to get Erik Karlsson, San Jose still owes us a 2nd round pick from 2019.


                    If Ottawa traded Mike Hoffman to Florida instead of San Jose, then what we would have also received from the Erik Karlsson trade, San Jose's 2nd round pick for 2019 instead along with everything else.


                    And there would be no condition on the pick.


                    San Jose would have then needed to find another 2nd round pick from somewhere to get Gustav Nyqust for their 2019 Cup Run.
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                      CBJ
                      1. Abramov, Vitaly [Liste de réserve]
                      2. Thomson, Lassi
                      Détails additionnels:
                      If the first Matt Duchene trade with Colorado doesn't happen, then the second one with Columbus doesn't happen either.
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                      OTT
                      1. Stone, Mark
                      VGK
                      1. Brännström, Erik
                      2. Sokolov, Egor
                      Détails additionnels:
                      Eugene Melnyk decides he doesn't want to get fleeced by Vegas and instead, pays Mark Stone what he's worth.
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                      1. Benning, Michael [Liste de réserve]
                      FLA
                      1. Brown, Joshua
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                      1. Gruden, Jonathan
                      2. Blomqvist, Joel [Liste de réserve]
                      PIT
                      1. Murray, Matt
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                      OTT
                      1. Matier, Jack
                      NSH
                      1. Watson, Austin
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                      OTT
                      1. Doan, Josh [Liste de réserve]
                      ARI
                        Derek Stepan
                        Rachats de contrats
                        • Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
                        • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
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                        2024
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                        TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
                        2381 500 000 $70 574 008 $0 $5 957 500 $10 925 992 $
                        Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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                        Tkachuk, Brady
                        8 330 674 $
                        AG, C
                        UFA - 7
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                        Norris, Joshua
                        925 000 $
                        C
                        RFA - 1
                        VGK
                        Stone, Mark
                        9 500 000 $
                        AD
                        NMC
                        UFA - 6
                        OTT
                        Stützle, Tim
                        925 000 $
                        AG, C
                        RFA - 2
                        OTT
                        Paul, Nicholas
                        1 350 000 $
                        C, AG
                        UFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Batherson, Drake
                        4 975 000 $
                        AD
                        UFA - 6
                        OTT
                        Formenton, Alex
                        747 500 $
                        AG
                        RFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Tierney, Chris
                        3 500 000 $
                        C
                        UFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Brown, Connor
                        3 600 000 $
                        AG, AD
                        UFA - 2
                        OTT
                        Sanford, Zachary
                        2 000 000 $
                        AG, AD
                        UFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Gambrell, Dylan
                        1 100 000 $
                        C
                        RFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Ennis, Tyler
                        900 000 $
                        C, AG, AD
                        UFA - 1
                        Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
                        OTT
                        Chabot, Thomas
                        8 000 000 $
                        DG
                        UFA - 7
                        OTT
                        Zaitsev, Nikita
                        4 500 000 $
                        DD
                        NTC
                        UFA - 3
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                        Gustavsson, Filip
                        787 500 $
                        G
                        RFA - 2
                        COL
                        Girard, Samuel
                        5 000 000 $
                        DG/DD
                        UFA - 6
                        OTT
                        Zub, Artem
                        2 500 000 $
                        DD
                        UFA - 2
                        MIN
                        Hammond, Andrew
                        750 000 $
                        G
                        UFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Holden, Nick
                        1 700 000 $
                        DG
                        UFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Mete, Victor
                        1 200 000 $
                        DG/DD
                        RFA - 1
                        Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
                        OTT
                        Del Zotto, Michael
                        2 000 000 $
                        DG
                        UFA - 2
                        COL
                        Byram, Bowen
                        894 167 $
                        DG
                        RFA - 2
                        OTT
                        White, Colin
                        4 750 000 $
                        AD, C
                        UFA - 4
                        OTT
                        Kelly, Parker
                        726 667 $
                        C, AG
                        RFA - 1
                        OTT
                        Pinto, Shane
                        925 000 $
                        C
                        RFA - 2
                        OTT
                        Shaw, Logan
                        725 000 $
                        C, AD
                        UFA - 1

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                        25 nov. 2021 à 13 h 46
                        #1
                        Lenny7
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                        The issue is, if you keep Duchene, Stone and Zibanejad, I can't imagine Byram, Stuetzle are there...
                        25 nov. 2021 à 14 h 0
                        #2
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                        sensonfire
                        Rejoint: févr. 2021
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                        Quoting: Lenny7
                        The issue is, if you keep Duchene, Stone and Zibanejad, I can't imagine Byram, Stuetzle are there...


                        1. Ottawa never trades for Duchene in this scenario.


                        2. We would get Stutzle because he was selected with San Jose's 1st round pick, not Ottawa's.


                        3. We still would tank in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019.

                        Mika Z and Mark Stone would be unable to stop it and we would still have the 4th overall pick for 2019.
                        25 nov. 2021 à 14 h 17
                        #3
                        Rejoint: sept. 2021
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                        If you don't trade Z for Brass we likely wouldn't have went to the Conference Finals and you don't have Gus or JBD.
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                        25 nov. 2021 à 15 h 10
                        #4
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                        sensonfire
                        Rejoint: févr. 2021
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                        Quoting: Pierre_from_Orleans
                        If you don't trade Z for Brass we likely wouldn't have went to the Conference Finals and you don't have Gus or JBD.


                        After looking at the two Brassard trades in a vacuum more closely, this is how Ottawa did:


                        Mika Zibanejad
                        Vincent Dunn
                        33rd overall pick for 2018
                        64th overall pick for 2018

                        for

                        Derick Brassard's contributions to the Ottawa Senators between July, 2016 and February, 2018
                        Ian Cole
                        Filip Gustavsson
                        22nd overall pick for 2018
                        83rd overall pick for 2019
                        194th overall pick for 2018


                        I would say Pierre Dorion made up for the Zibanejad trade, at least somewhat.


                        But, you're absolutely right.


                        I'll erase the Zibanejad trade smile
                        Pierre_from_Orleans a aimé ceci.
                        25 nov. 2021 à 15 h 48
                        #5
                        Rejoint: sept. 2021
                        Messages: 50
                        Mentions "j'aime": 37
                        Quoting: sensonfire
                        After looking at the two Brassard trades in a vacuum more closely, this is how Ottawa did:


                        Mika Zibanejad
                        Vincent Dunn
                        33rd overall pick for 2018
                        64th overall pick for 2018

                        for

                        Derick Brassard's contributions to the Ottawa Senators between July, 2016 and February, 2018
                        Ian Cole
                        Filip Gustavsson
                        22nd overall pick for 2018
                        83rd overall pick for 2019
                        194th overall pick for 2018


                        I would say Pierre Dorion made up for the Zibanejad trade, at least somewhat.


                        But, you're absolutely right.


                        I'll erase the Zibanejad trade smile


                        I was looking at the trades earlier and saw Vincent Dunn.... had to look a little deeper, that's not Vince Dunn of the Kraken haha.

                        But, yeah, I like Z, and wasn't a huge fan of the trade at the time but I think it worked out for both teams.
                        sensonfire a aimé ceci.
                         
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