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Créé par: Drshnuckels91
Date de création initiale: 24 nov. 2021
Publié: 25 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Bourgault, Xavier3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bouchard, Evan88 750 000 $
Yamamoto, Kailer42 750 000 $
Puljujärvi, Jesse66 250 000 $
Skinner, Stuart33 500 000 $
Konovalov, Ilya1900 000 $
McLeod, Ryan31 500 000 $
Benson, Tyler2985 000 $
Lavoie, Raphael2985 000 $
Samorukov, Dmitri21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Stecher, Troy21 850 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. 2023 3e round pick (NYI)
ARI
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. 2022 5e round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
    BUF
    1. Kassian, Zack
    2. 2023 3e round pick (NYI)
    Rachats de contrats
    • James Neal: 1 916 667 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2022
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    2023
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    2024
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2081 500 000 $80 225 000 $0 $1 500 000 $1 275 000 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    EDM
    Hyman, Zach
    5 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    EDM
    McDavid, Connor
    12 500 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    EDM
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    6 250 000 $
    AD
    RFA
    EDM
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    5 125 000 $
    AG, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    EDM
    Draisaitl, Leon
    8 500 000 $
    C, AG
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Holloway, Dylan
    925 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Bourgault, Xavier
    925 000 $
    C
    RFA
    EDM
    McLeod, Ryan
    1 500 000 $
    C
    RFA
    EDM
    Yamamoto, Kailer
    2 750 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA
    EDM
    Benson, Tyler
    985 000 $
    AG
    RFA
    EDM
    Lavoie, Raphael
    985 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA
    EDM
    Foegele, Warren
    2 750 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    EDM
    Nurse, Darnell
    9 250 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    EDM
    Bouchard, Evan
    8 750 000 $
    DD
    RFA
    EDM
    Skinner, Stuart
    3 500 000 $
    G
    RFA
    EDM
    Broberg, Philip
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Ceci, Cody
    3 250 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Konovalov, Ilya
    900 000 $
    G
    RFA
    EDM
    Samorukov, Dmitri
    1 250 000 $
    DG
    RFA
    Stecher, Troy
    1 850 000 $
    DD
    UFA

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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 37
    #1
    Fire Ruff and Recchi
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    And how does Vegas get that cap space?
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 41
    #2
    Pistol Pete
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    So far this year Kassian has earned his money and Puljujarvi is looking like a 3.5 million dollar player when you look at his whole season.
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 43
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    Quoting: Zmach
    So far this year Kassian has earned his money and Puljujarvi is looking like a 3.5 million dollar player when you look at his whole season.


    Jesse is on a cold streak currently im sure he will break out of it. While yes kassian has earned this year Im not 100 percent sure he will the next and his role takes up space for prospects to develop
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 44
    #4
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    Quoting: Zmach
    So far this year Kassian has earned his money and Puljujarvi is looking like a 3.5 million dollar player when you look at his whole season.


    Bouchard wont be 8.75 million he will get like 5.5 x 6 or something like that.
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 44
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    Quoting: BlackwoodForVezina
    And how does Vegas get that cap space?


    Move on from dadanov, gives you 7 mil in cap space to use barrie for special teams and sign hauge
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 45
    #6
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    Quoting: Zmach
    Bouchard wont be 8.75 million he will get like 5.5 x 6 or something like that.


    I mean with how he is playing the dude looks great and once he gets more use to the feel of the league and his rookie mistakes go away he should be a force (Fox,Makar level) also the d-market is absolutely insane as of currently so if nurse gets 9 mil then he should get 8
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 46
    #7
    Pistol Pete
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    Quoting: Drshnuckels91
    Jesse is on a cold streak currently im sure he will break out of it. While yes kassian has earned this year Im not 100 percent sure he will the next and his role takes up space for prospects to develop


    4th line is wide open. Outside of Raphael Lavoie there is nobody who is a right shot who plays right side. Mostly LW and center prospects in the system.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 49
    #8
    DmitryCoolikovinsta
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    Kass has been playing great this year, while not fighting as much , he brings so much energy to every line that hes on. Still don't understand why everyone wants him gone when hes playing better than pulju
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 49
    #9
    Pistol Pete
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    Quoting: Drshnuckels91
    I mean with how he is playing the dude looks great and once he gets more use to the feel of the league and his rookie mistakes go away he should be a force (Fox,Makar level) also the d-market is absolutely insane as of currently so if nurse gets 9 mil then he should get 8


    Nurse took 4 years of bridge deals 3,2 x 2 and 5.6 x 2. When you start paying players right off of their ELC it brings down the average of their salary.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 52
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    Quoting: Drshnuckels91
    I mean with how he is playing the dude looks great and once he gets more use to the feel of the league and his rookie mistakes go away he should be a force (Fox,Makar level) also the d-market is absolutely insane as of currently so if nurse gets 9 mil then he should get 8


    Makar/Fox level is quite a stretch. Don't get me wrong, I like Bouchard but Norris contender is likely above his ceiling, he doesn't control the game like those guys do. That said, even for Nurse to become a true #1 he went through 2 bridge contracts before you really knew he was worth that kind of money. Bouchard likely has a 2-3 year bridge before he even has a chance at a contract like that.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 53
    #11
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    Quoting: Zmach
    Nurse took 4 years of bridge deals 3,2 x 2 and 5.6 x 2. When you start paying players right off of their ELC it brings down the average of their salary.


    Yes but with d-man you don't wanna sign them to bridge deals then have to sign them long term after the fact. If you sign bouchard to a bridge then sign him to a 6-8 year when he is 26 27 like we did with nurse its gonna come back to bite us. Right now a bunch of d-man who signed long term contracts in their prime then fell off 2 years later with these big deals still attached look terrible (Karlsson,Burns,Doughty,Evantully Josi) we did the same exact thing with nurse and when he hits 32 or whatever it is going to kill us. If we sign bouchard long term now we keep him before he falls off that cliff and either sign him to a 2-3 year deal or let someone else pay him 9 mill till he's 37
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 54
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    And why trade Barrie within our division at retained salary? With how important cap is to the Oilers, they'd be better off taking a lesser return than to retain salary.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 55
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    Quoting: rpain
    Makar/Fox level is quite a stretch. Don't get me wrong, I like Bouchard but Norris contender is likely above his ceiling, he doesn't control the game like those guys do. That said, even for Nurse to become a true #1 he went through 2 bridge contracts before you really knew he was worth that kind of money. Bouchard likely has a 2-3 year bridge before he even has a chance at a contract like that.


    I will admit fox makar was a strech but I think I perfect comparison talent and game style-wise is john carlson they both play so similar its insane and carlson has stayed a steady top 10 dman for years while not quite being franchise which is Bouchard's ceiling.
    And as for the nurse thing


    Yes but with d-man you don't wanna sign them to bridge deals then have to sign them long term after the fact. If you sign bouchard to a bridge then sign him to a 6-8 year when he is 26 27 like we did with nurse its gonna come back to bite us. Right now a bunch of d-man who signed long term contracts in their prime then fell off 2 years later with these big deals still attached look terrible (Karlsson,Burns,Doughty,Evantully Josi) we did the same exact thing with nurse and when he hits 32 or whatever it is going to kill us. If we sign bouchard long term now we keep him before he falls off that cliff and either sign him to a 2-3 year deal or let someone else pay him 9 mill till he's 37
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 56
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    Quoting: rpain
    And why trade Barrie within our division at retained salary? With how important cap is to the Oilers, they'd be better off taking a lesser return than to retain salary.


    Fair point let me fix that I just don't know what other market is going to have a need for him on special teams
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 56
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    Quoting: rpain
    And why trade Barrie within our division at retained salary? With how important cap is to the Oilers, they'd be better off taking a lesser return than to retain salary.


    People have put out the idea of trading Barrie to Arizona so chychrun has somebody to play with. Edmonton would get like maybe a second or third pick but his cap would be totally gone.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 57
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    Quoting: Zmach
    People have put out the idea of trading Barrie to Arizona so chychrun has somebody to play with. Edmonton would get like maybe a second or third pick but his cap would be totally gone.


    Thank you I was not aware of the arizona market as an option for barrie I will fix the trades
    25 nov. 2021 à 12 h 58
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    Pistol Pete
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    Quoting: Drshnuckels91
    I will admit fox makar was a strech but I think I perfect comparison talent and game style-wise is john carlson they both play so similar its insane and carlson has stayed a steady top 10 dman for years while not quite being franchise which is Bouchard's ceiling.
    And as for the nurse thing

    Makar/Fox level is quite a stretch. Don't get me wrong, I like Bouchard but Norris contender is likely above his ceiling, he doesn't control the game like those guys do. That said, even for Nurse to become a true #1 he went through 2 bridge contracts before you really knew he was worth that kind of money. Bouchard likely has a 2-3 year bridge before he even has a chance at a contract like that


    I sure hope they dont bridge him.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 13 h 0
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    Quoting: Drshnuckels91
    Fair point let me fix that I just don't know what other market is going to have a need for him on special teams


    I was thinking a Montreal, NJD once Subban's contract is up, Dallas is in conference but no guarantee they hold onto Klingberg.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 13 h 0
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    Quoting: Zmach
    I sure hope they dont bridge him.


    if they do and then sign him long term its going to kill them in the long term
    25 nov. 2021 à 13 h 3
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    Quoting: Zmach
    I sure hope they dont bridge him.


    The upside to bridging is it delays the higher cap hit when you're trying to tinker year to year in the contending window. The good new is his ELC is up at the same time Keith comes off the books.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 13 h 7
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    Pistol Pete
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    Quoting: rpain
    The upside to bridging is it delays the higher cap hit when you're trying to tinker year to year in the contending window. The good new is his ELC is up at the same time Keith comes off the books.


    My concern is getting Bouchard for another 6 years to entice mcdavid and Draisaitl to resign and not have a huge pay increase in 4 years so that can be done.
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    25 nov. 2021 à 14 h 14
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    Quoting: Zmach
    My concern is getting Bouchard for another 6 years to entice mcdavid and Draisaitl to resign and not have a huge pay increase in 4 years so that can be done.


    Such a delicate game to play. Do you give the big number now to have him locked in long term or go for short term savings by keeping his bridge low in order to maximize what you can fit in for short term contracts while McD and Drai are at their absolute peaks?
     
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