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That’s the reason why Bergevin didn’t went for a rebuilt
He knew Weber was done, that Danault & Tatar were leaving. He should have let go Armia as well, not sign Hoffman & Savard and just sign Kotkaniemi at 2.8M

We would had Suzuki Kotkaniemi Evans Poehling at C and that’s fine

2022 Top 10 is great and 2023 it’s Bedard and the Russian kid

should have let armia walk too.

Oiler decline.

Elliotte Friedman says they might not.

Can it be a lower pick for Chiarot? Will Elliotte Friedman allow that? PLEASE!

The person you should be begging and pleading to is Ken Holland.

I will.. haha. I just don’t think he is worth a first, but if Chiarot helped us so much that we made it to the cup finals, I wouldn’t be able to be mad.

It sounds like Kotkatniemi was done with the Habs and wasn't coming back.

Sure, we will give you Koskinen, Turris and a 2nd for Chariot???
Did fiedman say thats ok???

I don’t know haha. But I like how Koskinen is playing… Turris, a second for Chiarot 50% retained, I think Friedman thinks that would be okay. Please say yes! But again, if we get to the cup finals, I can’t get mad. We need to get our young guys some playoff experience.

Not having Hoffman, Byron, Edmunsson, Weber, and Price in the lineup on a regular basis is really hurting this team, especially Price. It seems this team lives and dies by him. Dvorak was a good trade, the lesser of the picks by Carolina or Montreal goes to Arizona, and top 10 protected, have to figure its in the 20's by Carolina's play. I can't fault Bergevin really.

Elliotte Friedman holding the oilers hostage 😵

Yes he definitely is! I don’t like it haha. I don’t want to give a first for him, but if he helps us that much to make the finals, I guess it’s alright. Even if we can’t sign him, at least we will get our young guys some experience. Elliotte Friedman is not wrong! And he somehow knows he can hold the oilers hostage.

The looks of the team was not Bergevin pushing for a rebuild. If he planned to rebuild he wouldn't have gone for Dvo with a first, wouldn't have signed Hoffman, and would have begun to liquidate assets. Dvo was brought in to "Replace" Danault because no one know how important he was. Weber, somehow people didn't realize how important his loss was too. In no sense was Bergevin deciding to rebuild with the moves he made. Also by the looks of it, KK was done. No way he was taking 2.8 when the canes offered 6.1

Not gonna lie if Bergevin could see the future he probs would have not traded for Dvorak as having 2 firsts in this draft would have been fantastic.

Then they could trade for Dvorak the following season at a lower price or not need him at all with Shane Wright being the 2c behind Suzuki

You completely missed my point
Bergevin should have went for a rebuilt but he tried to kept the team competitive and that was an horrible offseason from him

Statistically Chariot is absolutely brutal. Last year and this year.

Maybe Chiarot at 50% retained will give a first round pick, remember, Savard got a 1st and a 3rd.

And the Oilers paid a 4th for Kulikov. Deadline prices are all over the place, all about what someone is willing to pay. Tampa had just won a cup and was in a strong position to do it again so were willing to overpay to bolster their roster. Another factor here is the RHD... always in more demand than LHD.

Look at all the replacement level defensemen that DIDN'T return a 1st:
https://www.capfriendly.com/trades?season=2021&event=deadline

Why are you betting on the outlier?

I still hope Friedman is wrong and we don’t have to give up a first but like the other guys said. Kulikov got a fourth, and there are a lot of defence men that are good that didn’t get a first. Mike Reilly is another one. Again, I hope we don’t get a first, but if it gets our young guys some playoff experience, I can’t get mad. Till then I can get mad ahah, especially if he plays horribly in the playoffs.

I know… he still is a decent defence man though, if you watch the games. I’m not saying you don’t, and I agree with you, but I don’t like basing my whole opinion on just statistics. But yes, I agree with you, they should not get a first… hopefully.

I'd tend to agree that Chiarot's value shouldn't be a 1st rd pick. through the views of analytics, he's probably not worth more than a 3rd or late 2nd rd pick....... BUT..... not all teams management group lean heavily with analytics, and I can say that Ken Holland certainly isn't part of that group.

Chiarot has a pedigree of being "built for the playoffs". He can eat a lot of hard minutes, play the pk, pitch in every now an then on offense, and has that physical edge. Add all that to what he showed in last years playoffs, and voila! that's where all this "he has a late 1st rd pick value" is coming from. Please don't be ignorant to the fact that this isn't only coming from the MTL fan base on here...it's coming from sports media, articles, etc.

As someone who doesn't post all that often anymore, I for one wouldn't be surprised either way if Chiarot gets a 1st+, or just a 3rd rd pick. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if Bergevin signs him to an extension and moves someone else instead lol

1) with berg gone next year he should not be making decision on the future of the club at all.
2) KK was worth 2.8 at the top end. He is a 4th liner in Carolina and we tried to hide him in the playoffs he should have never been picked in the first place he was top ranked at 10th.
3) Danault and Dvorak have very similar stats this year except for the -15 difference in +/- but that has a lot to do with our ****ty defense. Dvorak is younger and cheaper. When Danault was up for negotiations and rumors of what he was offered people were calling for him to just leave he isn't worth it. When MTL was looking to trade for Dvorak and the offers were being speculated , what was actually paid was deemed not enough to get him. People seem to think they know or have opinions but quickly start taking a different side when things happen. Not we should have kept danault and Dvorak wasnt worth what the habs paid for him. You can't have it both ways.
4) chariot is not worth a early - mid 1st in my mind, but Edmonton has the potential to go very far in the playoffs Chiarot retained however is worth a late 1st if not more. Lavoie is a good prospect, inconsistent, poor defensively and plays the wrong wing for the habs, he is a project with upside. The habs might need to add to the trade but its close.

Offseason for the habs
Dvorak = Danault
Hoffman > tatar
KK (no replacement) Need to have a player to play 3c/2c
savard + Wideman does not equal Weber bad additions
perrault bad addition
paquette bad addition
sam montebault bad addition
Sami Niku good potential ( if rebuilding) don't mind the addition

No price
No edmonson
No byron

team would and could be be better

Like I said, it’s possible that they get a first as the deadline is crazy haha. However I would rather not, but I wouldn’t get too mad if he helps our team! Thank you for your insight about Chiarot, and I agree that he is a decent defence man, and is usually good in the playoffs. All I’m saying is, we need a defence man badly, with Nurse, Keith and Koekkoek out. I wouldn’t be mad if that defence man is Chiarot, but I would like to see other options. Again, others would definitely cost more, but I would at least like to see. The deadline is crazy, and I like talking about this topic, because there are so many different opinions! Thanks…