you guys will give a first lets be real

Holland has said multiple times he isn't giving up a 1st for a rental

it wont be a rental cause he will sign longterm at 5m aav

that’s even worse than giving up a first

Oilers don't have the cap space to sign him because all cap space they have in the offseason is going to RFA JP, Yamo, and McLeod

If Chiarot had 50% Retained salary a 26th or later pick would be worth it.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I would think that a Chiarot trade mirrors the Savard trade last year. Similar players (Chiarot is better though) similar situations (both impending UFA's), logic dictates a similar return (1st + 2nd or 3rd). If you don't want to give up your 1st this year I am pretty sure Montreal would accept Bourgault + 2nd or 3rd instead.

Many teams would give them a 2nd and 4th without making them take a bum too.

Depending on extent of the injury on Keith. Edmonton has maybe 1 or 2 other LD they can call up from the minors.

If the Oilers really are in win now mode, I think they give up the same type of package Savard got last year. If not then McDavid isn't going to be too happy about the teams lack of commitment to winning. Either way the next couple of days/weeks should be interesting for sure.

If you aren't willing to give up 1st round picks to get McDavid to the cup, you shouldn't be in charge of the team with McDavid on it.
Teams like Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Tampa, put everything they have into their pursuits. If you are holding back and trying to get the best of both worlds, you're more likely to flounder in between.

Then oilers aren't getting Chiarot.

there is absolutely no way that for a second the Oilers consider trading Bourgault unless it is for a star player who instantly makes them much much better.

the only reason that Savard got a first is because Tampa knew that they were going to make it to at least the conference finials so there pick was going to be really low and there pick was really low it was #32

the Oilers aren't in the same position as Tampa, they aren't going to trade a 1st for just anyone

I am fine with that

Chiarot isn't going to make the Oilers good enough to win the cup

The Oilers ARE in the same situation as Tampa because they are most likely making the WCF. Like I said similar players, similar situations

if you give a first for chiarot, you shouldnt be in charge of any team

That's debatable. I was merely addressing the hard line of not moving a 1st for a rental. You do whatever you have to. Having a 1st round pick is small consolation if you get to the finals and are missing a key piece against a team that had no such qualms and spent their 1st on a reinforcement.

If you have a $70M roster and the other team spent to the cap, you didn't give your team their best chance of success. Same if two teams spent to the cap but one used picks to bolster their roster.

Chiarot has consistently given up more shots, scoring chances and goals than his teammates throughout his career, including the past two playoff runs. Especially the past two playoff runs, where he had terrible on-ice numbers. He just not a good defender and he doesn't bring anything offensively either. He's a big, physical guy who appears effective due to his ability to crosscheck opponents repeatedly in front of his net, but he doesn't actually reduce scoring rates or scoring chances, and he never has. THIS IS A PROVEN FACT, NOT AN OBJECTIVE "TAKE".

A playoff team shouldn't be giving up anything of value for him, whether retained or not. He doesn't do the things that help a team win games.

Link to playoff rels

No it wouldn't. Read post #16 above. He's a replacement level player.

I don't think any Oiler fan would suggest the Oilers hang onto their 1st round draft pick instead of using it to acquire an asset, or assets, that will help them win a Stanley Cup. Edmonton has solid group of top-6 forwards, and a pretty good set of RD; goaltending hasn't been as big an issues as predicted, the 3rd line has been good at times but inconsistent, the 4th line could improve, and the 3LD is a concern. Injuries to Nurse, Koekkoek, and Keith aren't long-term problems; all three remain under contract next season and LD is an area of significant strength in the Oiler prospect pool. However, the Oilers are tight against the salary cap, and that pressure remains next season.

Holland has said he will trade that 1st round pick, if it makes sense for the Oilers. He has also said term, or team control are requirements in order to move that pick. If he trades that 1st round pick, ideally it will help Holland address an area of need while also relieving a bit of that cap pressure. That said, it doesn't make sense to spend that kind of draft capital on a bottom six forward, or a 3rd pairing LD, or a back-up goaltender. If that draft pick is traded away, I think a roster player will be going with it and the return is most likely going to be a goaltender or a very good middle-six forward, either an RFA or a player with term remaining.

As for LD, I believe the cost needs to be reasonable because that player almost certainly needs to be a rental. IMO, a 1st for Chiarot is too much for the Oilers to pay and a guy like Brayden McNabb may be a suitable fit at a lower cost. Holland probably shouldn't pursue that kind of player until Nurse and Keith are back in the lineup, otherwise he is probably going to have to pay a premium.

The problem is that rentals are often desirable due to cap circumstances and not wanting to add term due to your own players needing new contracts. Edmonton is one such team.
Maybe they don't move their 1st for a rental. Good chance their competition will.

Many may feel the Oilers need to go all in now; I think that time may be next season.