Is the actual team worse than ten years ago

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Créé par: Taz

Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 22 nov. 2021

Publié: 22 nov. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Habs ended 15th in East 2011-12 season.
Is the 2011-12 roster worse, or is the actual team worst?

FORWARDS
Cole > Toffoli
Desharnais < Suzuki
Pacioretty > Caufield
Kostitsryn < Drouin
Plekanec > Dvorak
Cammalleri > Anderson
Gomez < Lehkonen
Eller > Evans
Gionta < Gallagher
Moen > Pezzetta
Darche < Poehling
Bourque < Armia

DEFENSE
Kaberle > Chiarot
Subban > Petry
Emelin > Romanov
Goerges > Savard
Diaz < Kulak
Gill > Wideman

GOALIE
2011-12 Price > Allen
Budaj > Montembeault

SCRATCHES
Y.Weber > Niku
Campoli < Norlinder
Blunden, White, Nokelainen, Leblanc < Belzile, Paquette, Perreault, Hoffman

I haven't considered Edmundson, S.Weber, Byron and actual Price because they are injured. I didn't considerer 2011-12 Markov and Spacek too, they were injured on this season.

Results : 14 to 9 for the 2011-12 team.

In 2011-12 they had 78pts and ended last in the eastern. They got 3rd overall pick and picked Galcheyuk.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

CRÉÉ	ANS	CAP HIT
Blunden, Mike	1	750 000 $
Bourque, Rene	1	750 000 $
Budaj, Peter	1	750 000 $
Cammalleri, Mike	1	750 000 $
Campoli, Chris	1	750 000 $
Cole, Erik	1	750 000 $
Darche, Mathieu	1	750 000 $
Desharnais, David	1	750 000 $
Diaz, Raphael	1	750 000 $
Eller, Lars	1	750 000 $
Emelin, Alexei	1	750 000 $
Gill, Hal	1	750 000 $
Gionta, Brian	1	750 000 $
Gomez, Scott	1	750 000 $
Kaberle, Tomas	1	750 000 $
Kostitsyn, Andrei	1	750 000 $
Leblanc, Louis	1	750 000 $
Moen, Travis	1	750 000 $
Markov, Andrei	1	750 000 $
Nokelainen, Petteri	1	750 000 $
Pacioretty, Max	1	750 000 $
Plekanec, Tomas	1	750 000 $
Price 2011-12, Carey	1	750 000 $
Spacek, Jaroslav	1	750 000 $
Subban, PK	1	750 000 $
Weber, Yannick	1	750 000 $
White, Ryan	1	750 000 $
Goerges, Josh	1	750 000 $

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $

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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
48	81 500 000 $	87 847 144 $	597 561 $	1 557 500 $	-6 347 144 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Toffoli, Tyler 2 125 000 $2 125 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (537 500 $$538K) C UFA - 1	Caufield, Cole 880 833 $880 833 $ (300 000 $$300K) AG, AD UFA - 2
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C UFA - 4	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 6
Lehkonen, Artturi 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Evans, Jake 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 6
Pezzetta, Michael 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Poehling, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Cole, Erik 750 000 $750 000 $	Desharnais, David 750 000 $750 000 $	Pacioretty, Max 750 000 $750 000 $
Kostitsyn, Andrei 750 000 $750 000 $	Plekanec, Tomas 750 000 $750 000 $	Cammalleri, Mike 750 000 $750 000 $
Gomez, Scott 750 000 $750 000 $	Eller, Lars 750 000 $750 000 $	Gionta, Brian 750 000 $750 000 $
Moen, Travis 750 000 $750 000 $	Darche, Mathieu 750 000 $750 000 $	Bourque, Rene 750 000 $750 000 $

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chiarot, Ben 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Petry, Jeff 2 343 750 $2 343 750 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Allen, Jake 2 875 000 $2 875 000 $ G UFA - 2
Romanov, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (637 500 $$638K) DG RFA - 1	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Montembeault, Samuel 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Wideman, Chris 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Budaj, Peter 750 000 $750 000 $
Kaberle, Tomas 750 000 $750 000 $	Subban, PK 750 000 $750 000 $	Price 2011-12, Carey 750 000 $750 000 $
Emelin, Alexei 750 000 $750 000 $	Goerges, Josh 750 000 $750 000 $
Diaz, Raphael 750 000 $750 000 $	Gill, Hal 750 000 $750 000 $

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Norlinder, Mattias 859 167 $859 167 $ (82 500 $$82K) DG RFA - 3	Hoffman, Mike 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG UFA - 3	Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 5
Niku, Sami 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Weber, Yannick 750 000 $750 000 $	Paquette, Cédric 950 000 $950 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Markov, Andrei 750 000 $750 000 $
Campoli, Chris 750 000 $750 000 $	Perreault, Mathieu 950 000 $950 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1	Spacek, Jaroslav 750 000 $750 000 $
Blunden, Mike 750 000 $750 000 $	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 5
White, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $
Nokelainen, Petteri 750 000 $750 000 $
Leblanc, Louis 750 000 $750 000 $

22 nov. 2021 à 15 h 33

F50marco

Rejoint: mai 2015

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Well to be fair, generally any time a GM is fired its because the team is no better off than the last time someone else was fired. That's why they're being canned.

22 nov. 2021 à 15 h 49

mastersp4

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The best habs moments in the last 10 years are the first 5 years and it's with the team builds before Bergevin. The last 5 years are terrible and thats Bergy fault

22 nov. 2021 à 16 h 34

Taz

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Quoting: mastersp4

The best habs moments in the last 10 years are the first 5 years and it's with the team builds before Bergevin. The last 5 years are terrible and thats Bergy fault

cannot say a team is terrible when it's 3 wins away from Stanley!

22 nov. 2021 à 16 h 43

F50marco

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Quoting: mastersp4

The best habs moments in the last 10 years are the first 5 years and it's with the team builds before Bergevin. The last 5 years are terrible and thats Bergy fault

Its crazy but I was looking at this also and if you look at the history from 1993-94 til now (since last Stanley cup), MB's teams have a couple seasons in the top 5 since that year and a couple in the bottom 5 since that year. Including this yearso far obviously.

If anything can be said about MB's tenure as MTL GM is that he has seen some big highs and some big lows. But clearly the first 5 years vs the last 5 years skew the perception.

mastersp4 a aimé ceci.

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