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Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 21 nov. 2021
Publié: 21 nov. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 493 963 $1 741 463 $3 350 000 $6 037 $
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 8
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
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UFA - 2
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
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UFA - 4
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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725 000 $725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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908 333 $908 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 2
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1 075 000 $1 075 000 $
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UFA - 1
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 6
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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UFA - 1

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22 nov. 2021 à 0 h 13
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This is definitely closer to the type of deal we should be making with Greenway than most proposals are on here. I'm not sure Kaut is the right piece but he's definitely the right type of piece.
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22 nov. 2021 à 0 h 14
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Maybe, but I kinda doubt it.

Kaut kinda looks like a bust at this point, so Aves likely have to add. At a minimum. Otherwise I would be asking for Jost in return instead.
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22 nov. 2021 à 0 h 20
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What about Bowers?
22 nov. 2021 à 0 h 37
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What about Bowers?


Hrmm, maybe. I'd prefer one of either Jost or Ranta back. But that's just me. I don't particularly know to much about Bowers tbh.
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22 nov. 2021 à 1 h 9
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Hrmm, maybe. I'd prefer one of either Jost or Ranta back. But that's just me. I don't particularly know to much about Bowers tbh.


Fast, bottom 6 forward in the mold of guys we’ve been seeing come up. Maybe you could throw a 3rd on top of it.

I don’t think Greenway gets you back much more, unless you can get NYR to part with Kravtsov. But with Boldy not missing a step and Beckman having shown what he can do, it just seems like BG will set a price and sell when it hits. IDK if it makes sense to try and start a bidding war to get a 3rd up to a 2nd at the TDL when that roster spot really matters now.
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22 nov. 2021 à 14 h 33
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Quoting: RazWild
Hrmm, maybe. I'd prefer one of either Jost or Ranta back. But that's just me. I don't particularly know to much about Bowers tbh.


Avs fan here. In my opinion, Kaut > Bowers. I’m not sure why, but Colorado hasn’t given Bowers any opportunity in the NHL yet. He’s looked more polished than Kaut in the AHL and in preseason, but he may be getting to that point where he’s stuck as an AHL-er instead of a legit prospect. At best, I think he becomes a bottom six forward who can skate and maybe PK, like @jnowariak said.

I think Kaut still has middle six upside. Unfortunately he’s dealt with some injuries the last couple years, but his AHL production has improved each season and he was getting some PP times with the Avs before his most recent injury.

I think Greenway would be a great fit with the Avs, especially considering he’s an RFA at the end of the season and Colorado has several middle-six forwards set to hit UFA. I also think Kaut vwould fit Minnesota’s style nicely, as jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of player.

I would question whether these division rivals would want to make a deal with each other, though. I think the intra-division trade stigma can be overblown. But when it comes to two contending teams swapping younger players with long-term value, I wonder if there’s extra hesitation. I also question if Minnesota would prefer to package Greenway for a more impactful piece, rather than trading him for a younger player.
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22 nov. 2021 à 14 h 39
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Avs fan here. In my opinion, Kaut > Bowers. I’m not sure why, but Colorado hasn’t given Bowers any opportunity in the NHL yet. He’s looked more polished than Kaut in the AHL and in preseason, but he may be getting to that point where he’s stuck as an AHL-er instead of a legit prospect. At best, I think he becomes a bottom six forward who can skate and maybe PK, like jnowariak said.

I think Kaut still has middle six upside. Unfortunately he’s dealt with some injuries the last couple years, but his AHL production has improved each season and he was getting some PP times with the Avs before his most recent injury.

I think Greenway would be a great fit with the Avs, especially considering he’s an RFA at the end of the season and Colorado has several middle-six forwards set to hit UFA. I also think Kaut vwould fit Minnesota’s style nicely, as jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of player.

I would question whether these division rivals would want to make a deal with each other, though. I think the intra-division trade stigma can be overblown. But when it comes to two contending teams swapping younger players with long-term value, I wonder if there’s extra hesitation. I also question if Minnesota would prefer to package Greenway for a more impactful piece, rather than trading him for a younger player.


I’ll point to the Cole-Pateryn swap last year. BG and Sakic both look to make their team better, end of story. If Bowers could be transitioned back to C, I think the Wild have developed a good program for getting those guys to the NHL. I realize neither Bowers or Kaut are sure fire hits but if you tacked a 3rd on to the prospect I see no reason it wouldn’t be good value for the Wild.
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22 nov. 2021 à 15 h 2
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Quoting: jnowariak
I’ll point to the Cole-Pateryn swap last year. BG and Sakic both look to make their team better, end of story. If Bowers could be transitioned back to C, I think the Wild have developed a good program for getting those guys to the NHL. I realize neither Bowers or Kaut are sure fire hits but if you tacked a 3rd on to the prospect I see no reason it wouldn’t be good value for the Wild.


Bowers does profile like a guy that Minnesota could get to the NHL. And I think that value makes sense.

In terms of the Cole/Pateryn deal, the circumstances were pretty different. Those were two defensemen in their 30s in the last year of their contracts. Cole was the better player but Colorado needed the cap relief. It was a short-term solution for the Avs and Minnesota benefited by upgrading their 3rd pair. I’m not saying a trade involving younger, long-term assets can’t happen, but question if there would be more hesitation.
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23 nov. 2021 à 21 h 35
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Looks like a good deal for both teams, though maybe a little more of a gamble in it for MIN.
 
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