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Montreal Trade Rumors

Créé par: Campabee
Date de création initiale: 20 nov. 2021
Publié: 21 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
Examining how the current (Edmonton, Chicago and New York) rumors could shape the lineup when healthy.

The D is still pretty weak but our forward group gets better with the addition of a center.
Transactions
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MTL
  1. Strome, Dylan
CHI
  1. 2022 3e round pick (ANA)
2.
MTL
  1. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Chiarot, Ben
3.
MTL
    TBL
    1. Paquette, Cédric
    Détails additionnels:
    Waivers
    4.
    MTL
      VGK
      1. Wideman, Chris
      Détails additionnels:
      Waivers
      5.
      MTL
      1. Kravtsov, Vitali
      2. 2022 1e round pick (NYR)
      NYR
      1. Toffoli, Tyler
      2. 2022 3e round pick (CAR)
      6.
      MTL
        PIT
        1. Perreault, Mathieu
        Détails additionnels:
        Playoff team looking for depth
        Rachats de contrats
        • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
        ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
        2022
        CAR
        EDM
        NYR
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        TBL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        STL
        2023
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        2024
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
        2381 500 000 $76 253 394 $597 561 $2 407 500 $5 246 606 $
        Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
        MTL
        Caufield, Cole
        880 833 $
        AD, AG
        RFA - 2
        MTL
        Suzuki, Nick
        863 333 $
        C, AD
        UFA - 1
        NYR
        Kravtsov, Vitali
        925 000 $
        AD
        RFA - 1
        MTL
        Drouin, Jonathan
        5 500 000 $
        AG, AD, C
        NTC
        UFA - 2
        CHI
        Strome, Dylan
        3 000 000 $
        C, AG
        RFA - 1
        MTL
        Anderson, Josh
        5 500 000 $
        AD, AG
        NTC
        UFA - 6
        MTL
        Hoffman, Mike
        4 500 000 $
        AG, AD
        UFA - 3
        MTL
        Dvorak, Christian
        4 450 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 4
        MTL
        Gallagher, Brendan
        6 500 000 $
        AD
        NMC NTC
        UFA - 6
        MTL
        Armia, Joel
        3 400 000 $
        AD, AG
        UFA - 4
        MTL
        Poehling, Ryan
        750 000 $
        C, AG
        RFA - 2
        MTL
        Evans, Jake
        750 000 $
        C, AD
        UFA - 1
        Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
        MTL
        Edmundson, Joel
        3 500 000 $
        DG
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        MTL
        Petry, Jeff
        6 250 000 $
        DD
        NMC NTC
        UFA - 4
        MTL
        Price, Carey
        10 500 000 $
        G
        NMC
        UFA - 5
        MTL
        Romanov, Alexander
        894 167 $
        DG
        RFA - 1
        MTL
        Savard, David
        3 500 000 $
        DD
        UFA - 4
        MTL
        Allen, Jake
        2 875 000 $
        G
        UFA - 2
        MTL
        Kulak, Brett
        1 850 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 1
        MTL
        Niku, Sami
        750 000 $
        DG/DD
        RFA - 1
        Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
        MTL
        Lehkonen, Artturi
        2 300 000 $
        AG, AD
        RFA - 1
        MTL
        Weber, Shea
        7 857 143 $
        DD
        UFA - 5
        MTL
        Byron, Paul
        3 400 000 $
        AG, AD, C
        UFA - 2
        MTL
        Norlinder, Mattias
        859 167 $
        DG
        RFA - 3

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        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 14
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        Chicago doesn't consider that, overvaluing Toffoli too
        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 15
        #2
        Stay mad
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        So many better winger for rangers to get especially for that much
        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 19
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        Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
        Chicago doesn't consider that, overvaluing Toffoli too


        Chicago is already looking to move Strome and a 3rd is fair value and since it is the Anaheim 3rd it is basically a 2nd.

        Toffoli = 1st + a decent prospect (prospect valued around a 3rd round pick)

        Kravstov = 2nd or another struggling prospect

        3rd = the difference
        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 32
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        Quoting: Campabee
        Chicago is already looking to move Strome and a 3rd is fair value and since it is the Anaheim 3rd it is basically a 2nd.

        Toffoli = 1st + a decent prospect (prospect valued around a 3rd round pick)

        Kravstov = 2nd or another struggling prospect

        3rd = the difference


        Chicago looking to move him doesnt mean they will sell him for cheap, especially when he is playing well. A 3rd is a 3rd, not "basically a 2nd" especially since they are 3rd in the Pacific right now.
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        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 45
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        Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
        Chicago looking to move him doesnt mean they will sell him for cheap, especially when he is playing well. A 3rd is a 3rd, not "basically a 2nd" especially since they are 3rd in the Pacific right now.


        So make it a 2nd, I was just going off of what Chicago fans have been posting, but whatever.
        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 48
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        Quoting: Campabee
        So make it a 2nd, I was just going off of what Chicago fans have been posting, but whatever.


        You need to start watching games
        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 53
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        Quoting: GMs
        You need to start watching games


        I do watch games and I know Strome is doing well, again I am basing his value off threads posted over the last month. Just cause he has had some decent games over the last week or two doesn't mean his value increased significantly, he still only has 2 points in 10 games! No one is paying more than a 2nd for that.
        21 nov. 2021 à 11 h 55
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        Quoting: Campabee
        I do watch games and I know Strome is doing well, again I am basing his value off threads posted over the last month. Just cause he has had some decent games over the last week or two doesn't mean his value increased significantly, he still only has 2 points in 10 games! No one is paying more than a 2nd for that.


        Why would you want Strome ? He is an offensive player, we need defensive player. MTL suck this year because our forward group can’t play defense. Only Dvorak Evans & Lehkonen are good defensively. Getting another offensive forwards means less goals for us and more for them. We went from having too many defensive players too not enough. Hoffman Drouin Toffoli Anderson Gallagher they are all trash defensively
        21 nov. 2021 à 12 h 0
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        Quoting: Campabee
        Chicago is already looking to move Strome and a 3rd is fair value and since it is the Anaheim 3rd it is basically a 2nd.

        Toffoli = 1st + a decent prospect (prospect valued around a 3rd round pick)

        Kravstov = 2nd or another struggling prospect

        3rd = the difference


        If Drury trades Buchnevich, Kratsov and a1st to get a lesser Toffoli, Blais, a 2nd and 3rd he should be fired. The Buchnevich trade was bad enough. To make it worse by trading for Toffoli....
        21 nov. 2021 à 12 h 1
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        Quoting: GMs
        Why would you want Strome ? He is an offensive player, we need defensive player. MTL suck this year because our forward group can’t play defense. Only Dvorak Evans & Lehkonen are good defensively. Getting another offensive forwards means less goals for us and more for them. We went from having too many defensive players too not enough. Hoffman Drouin Toffoli Anderson Gallagher they are all trash defensively


        We need an offensive center to fill the 2 hole, I agree we need more defensive wingers but we still need an offensive center. Defensive wingers are a dime a dozen in this League but offensive centers are harder to find. This team is already out of a playoff spot so let's fix center this season and trade some of our offensive wings in the offseason for defensive help.
        21 nov. 2021 à 12 h 6
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        Quoting: Campabee
        We need an offensive center to fill the 2 hole, I agree we need more defensive wingers but we still need an offensive e center. Defensive wingers are a dome a dozen in this League but offensive centers are harder to find. This team is already out of a playoff spot so let's fix center this season and trade some of our offensive wings in the offseason for defensive help.


        Dvorak is fine there, we just need to get rid of Ducharme this offseason and a couple of wingers like Drouin & Toffoli
        21 nov. 2021 à 12 h 7
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        Quoting: GMs
        Dvorak is fine there, we just need to get rid of Ducharme this offseason and a couple of wingers like Drouin & Toffoli


        Dvorak doesn't have enough offense and his effort level so far is uninspiring. I would rather drop him back to his more suited role as a defensive specialist/PKer
        21 nov. 2021 à 12 h 35
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        Quoting: Campabee
        Dvorak doesn't have enough offense and his effort level so far is uninspiring. I would rather drop him back to his more suited role as a defensive specialist/PKer


        If Poehling have a breakout year this season, we should keep Suzuki-Dvorak-Poehling-Evans
        Or
        Suzuki-Dvorak-Evans-PK Specialist via UFA move Poehling on the wing
        The problem is the coaching staff and we need dman who can skate. Edmundson-Petry Guhle-Savard we need to find a great 2RHD to play with Romy. The coach will never play Romanov-Norlinder together which sucks
        21 nov. 2021 à 12 h 54
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        Why would we waive Wideman? He's arguably the team's best D
        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 6
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        Quoting: Campabee
        Chicago is already looking to move Strome and a 3rd is fair value and since it is the Anaheim 3rd it is basically a 2nd.

        Toffoli = 1st + a decent prospect (prospect valued around a 3rd round pick)

        Kravstov = 2nd or another struggling prospect

        3rd = the difference


        LOL. This rumour is fake news. NYR needs a rental. They can’t take a contract that they would have to move in the summer.
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        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 6
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        Quoting: GMs
        If Poehling have a breakout year this season, we should keep Suzuki-Dvorak-Poehling-Evans
        Or
        Suzuki-Dvorak-Evans-PK Specialist via UFA move Poehling on the wing
        The problem is the coaching staff and we need dman who can skate. Edmundson-Petry Guhle-Savard we need to find a great 2RHD to play with Romy. The coach will never play Romanov-Norlinder together which sucks


        I hope RP has a breakout year so we can line up Suzuki-Poehling-Dvorak-Evans I just think we need an offensive center to take some of the scoring pressure off Zuke and Dvorak is not that guy IMO. I totally agree with you about the D and coaching though.
        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 7
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        Quoting: NYR1983
        LOL. This rumour is fake news. NYR needs a rental. They can’t take a contract that they would have to move in the summer.


        The rumor is that Montreal is interested in Kravstov no players were named in the rumor I just made a proposal based on value.
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        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 9
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        Quoting: Campabee
        The rumor is that Montreal is interested in Kravstov no players were named in the rumor I just made a proposal based on value.


        Oh ok, that makes sense. But the package won’t work
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        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 11
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        Quoting: NYR1983
        Oh ok, that makes sense. But the package won’t work


        That's fair, I wasnt familiar with the Rangers cap situation lol
        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 18
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        Quoting: Campabee
        That's fair, I wasnt familiar with the Rangers cap situation lol


        This season we can add tons of rentals but next year gets tight
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        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 28
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        Quoting: NYR1983
        This season we can add tons of rentals but next year gets tight


        Ok given the cap next year and that you are looking for rentals, where are the holes in the lineup? I know there are rumors of wanting a LHD but I don't see a fit with Chiarot there. Lehkonen is an RFA but I don't think the Rangers need him, Evans is an option but Montreal is already weak down the middle and Kulak is as well but his value is not high enough to be a peice for Kravstov lol. I am really wondering what Montreal and the Rangers are discussing cause yes Kravstov has great potential but we already have so many wingers under contract for 2+ years.
        21 nov. 2021 à 13 h 45
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        Drury better be run out of NY if he made such a deal. I’d rather let Kravtsov waste away in Russia and retain the rights than also trade a 1st on top of that for Toffoli.
        21 nov. 2021 à 14 h 21
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        Quoting: Campabee
        Ok given the cap next year and that you are looking for rentals, where are the holes in the lineup? I know there are rumors of wanting a LHD but I don't see a fit with Chiarot there. Lehkonen is an RFA but I don't think the Rangers need him, Evans is an option but Montreal is already weak down the middle and Kulak is as well but his value is not high enough to be a peice for Kravstov lol. I am really wondering what Montreal and the Rangers are discussing cause yes Kravstov has great potential but we already have so many wingers under contract for 2+ years.


        I’m not so sure we are actually in the market for a LHD. Unless it’s a massive upgrade. Lindgren and Miller aren’t moving from the roster and while Nemeth might not be a fan favourite, he is there as a PK guy with grit. Our biggest hole is RW so unless we fill it with Kravs after the KHL is done then I see us moving on a rental RW if not doing both.
        21 nov. 2021 à 17 h 48
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        Quoting: Campabee
        Chicago is already looking to move Strome and a 3rd is fair value and since it is the Anaheim 3rd it is basically a 2nd.

        Toffoli = 1st + a decent prospect (prospect valued around a 3rd round pick)

        Kravstov = 2nd or another struggling prospect

        3rd = the difference


        Since 2 weeks ago we are no longer looking to move Strome so no a 3rd or sole 2nd for that matter wouldn't just get a deal over the line.

        Min cost was a 2nd + 3rd.
         
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