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Créé par: csick
Équipe: 2021-22 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 19 nov. 2021
Publié: 19 nov. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Pavelski, Joe (2 500 000 $ retained)
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  1. DeBrusk, Jake
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19 nov. 2021 à 13 h 53
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Honestly make it a first and go full retention for any other possible moves? They need the money to bring Rask back at whatever elevated hit he'll be prorated to.

Without retention I suspect it's this year's 2nd and Senyshyn at minimum.
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19 nov. 2021 à 13 h 57
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i would go 1st and 50% retained
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19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 10
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Honestly make it a first and go full retention for any other possible moves? They need the money to bring Rask back at whatever elevated hit he'll be prorated to.

Without retention I suspect it's this year's 2nd and Senyshyn at minimum.


Debrusk plus a first or just a first?
19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 11
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If you're shopping the first better to target Hertl or JT Miller.
19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 11
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If you're shopping the first better to target Hertl or JT Miller.


I think those 2 guys cost more than just a 1st and I don’t think you have what they want in the prospect pool
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19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 15
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I think those 2 guys cost more than just a 1st and I don’t think you have what they want in the prospect pool


1st plus something else guarantees you get Hertl. He has a 3 team list. If Boston is on that list than this would work. For Miller, you're probably right but the 1st starts the conversation.
19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 16
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1st plus something else guarantees you get Hertl. He has a 3 team list. If Boston is on that list than this would work. For Miller, you're probably right but the 1st starts the conversation.


You should trade a 1st for Chiarot and all Montreal fans will be happy 🤡.
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19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 19
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Debrusk plus a first or just a first?


DeBrusk and the 1st. Until Jake starts playing at or above what his QO is worth, he can't be treated like he's some valuable up-and-coming winger.
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19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 24
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
DeBrusk and the 1st. Until Jake starts playing at or above what his QO is worth, he can't be treated like he's some valuable up-and-coming winger.


if that first has a a top 8 protection id be fine with that trade, joe at 3.5mill is a solid deal and he will bring some more leadership to the team, he's a high IQ player so maybe he can start making the broons 2nd line look more like a dangerous threat
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19 nov. 2021 à 14 h 55
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if that first has a a top 8 protection id be fine with that trade, joe at 3.5mill is a solid deal and he will bring some more leadership to the team, he's a high IQ player so maybe he can start making the broons 2nd line look more like a dangerous threat


I’d be 100% fine with that. If we don’t improve by deadline day Pavs 50% retained for DeBrusk and a 1st top 8 protected would be a done deal.
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19 nov. 2021 à 15 h 2
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Gonna make an off-the-cuff suggestion: Nick Schmaltz

Bruins don't have good centre prospects to replace Bergeron with. Pavelski is a fine short term option but he's 37. I'm not sold on Studnicka.

Schmaltz from the outside is pretty meh. He's making 5.85 million for a ton of years and hasn't been fantastic in Arizona production wise. But he'd be comparatively cheap when considering other options (ie Hertl), and has the ability to turn it around, especially on Boston.
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19 nov. 2021 à 15 h 15
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Quoting: mondo
Gonna make an off-the-cuff suggestion: Nick Schmaltz

Bruins don't have good centre prospects to replace Bergeron with. Pavelski is a fine short term option but he's 37. I'm not sold on Studnicka.

Schmaltz from the outside is pretty meh. He's making 5.85 million for a ton of years and hasn't been fantastic in Arizona production wise. But he'd be comparatively cheap when considering other options (ie Hertl), and has the ability to turn it around, especially on Boston.


if schmaltz is a good passing center he would succeed that's truely what bruins need, hall foligno/smith/coyle are all goal scorers we don't have a guy to make the longer stretch passes, hall can do them but i would prefer him using his elite speed and receiving the pass. schmaltz showed good potential in chicago where he was playing with better talent then in arizona so with the roster the bruins have he could go back to producing like he did in 2017-18 or he could excel even more potentially, just depends on the cost that contract isn't the prettiest retainment or taking on a salary dump or 2 would be need from arizona
19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 16
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1st plus something else guarantees you get Hertl. He has a 3 team list. If Boston is on that list than this would work. For Miller, you're probably right but the 1st starts the conversation.


Doubt you get Hertl for a first a mid level piece. Just cuz Boston got Hall for pennies on the dollar doesn’t mean it happens that way every time
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19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 20
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Doubt you get Hertl for a first a mid level piece. Just cuz Boston got Hall for pennies on the dollar doesn’t mean it happens that way every time


The Duchene return is probably fair value. 2 B prospects , a 1st and another conditional pick
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19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 42
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Honestly make it a first and go full retention for any other possible moves? They need the money to bring Rask back at whatever elevated hit he'll be prorated to.

Without retention I suspect it's this year's 2nd and Senyshyn at minimum.


Depends on when the moves occur, they should have a good amount of cash available at the deadline, rask already said its not about the money. Would dallas move pavs if they are in a playoff spot or close to it though?
19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 45
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The Duchene return is probably fair value. 2 B prospects , a 1st and another conditional pick


I like hertl a ton, i was high on him when they drafted him in 2012. that being said idk if duchene is the right comp. the conditional pick was if he resigned there. so a first and 2 b prospects? i feel like duchene was worth more when he was moved if that makes any sense.
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I like hertl a ton, i was high on him when they drafted him in 2012. that being said idk if duchene is the right comp. the conditional pick was if he resigned there. so a first and 2 b prospects? i feel like duchene was worth more when he was moved if that makes any sense.


I think most ppl knew Duchene wouldn’t re-sign and Columbus just made an All In move. I think Hertl would get more than just that tho
19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 54
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I'd rather go after Klingberg.
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19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 55
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I'd rather go after Klingberg.


mmm dont think right d is a position of need, we need a left shot. maybe suter?
19 nov. 2021 à 21 h 40
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mmm dont think right d is a position of need, we need a left shot. maybe suter?


Right D is not a position of need? Only if McAvoy and Carlo can divide up 60 M. Serious about making the Bruins better? Upgrade over Clifton. Need a left shot? Bruins are stuck with their LD for the next three years thanks to DS.

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I'd rather go after Klingberg.

Agreed. That would be a big upgrade.
20 nov. 2021 à 10 h 14
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The Duchene return is probably fair value. 2 B prospects , a 1st and another conditional pick


Fair. Tho I could argue he’s better that Duchie
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Right D is not a position of need? Only if McAvoy and Carlo can divide up 60 M. Serious about making the Bruins better? Upgrade over Clifton. Need a left shot? Bruins are stuck with their LD for the next three years thanks to DS.


I mean yes we need an upgrade over clifton. but you dont upgrade a 6th dman with a 1 or a 2. you upgrade a 6 with a 4. our left d is kinda brutal because they signed both reilly and forbort to matching deals. I have heard forbort can play his offhand though. I also havent hated zboril at that 6 spot. in grand scheme come playoff time you give mcavoy close to 30 a game, carlo gets like 24, the other 6 goes to a guy like clifton. not really a big deal if you have legit left dmen as partners though.
22 nov. 2021 à 17 h 41
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I mean yes we need an upgrade over clifton. but you dont upgrade a 6th dman with a 1 or a 2. you upgrade a 6 with a 4. our left d is kinda brutal because they signed both reilly and forbort to matching deals. I have heard forbort can play his offhand though. I also havent hated zboril at that 6 spot. in grand scheme come playoff time you give mcavoy close to 30 a game, carlo gets like 24, the other 6 goes to a guy like clifton. not really a big deal if you have legit left dmen as partners though.


But the Bruins DO NOT have legit left dmen as partners. They have 3 3rd pairing LD plus Zboril. IF the Bruins get to the playoffs and you try and play McAvoy close to 30 a game teams will just pound him like the Isles did in the second round last year. You think Carlo is up for 24 a game and able to withstand that pounding as well? Not with his recent track record. Klingberg is not a 1/2 dman. Look at his last 2+ years of play. He is a 3/4 dman at this stage of his career. Exactly the upgrade you say the Bruins need from Clifton on the right side and the type of support I say our LD need. Whether the Bruins have the assets or the will to pull off this upgrade remains to be seen. DS has not left himself much wiggle room.
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But the Bruins DO NOT have legit left dmen as partners. They have 3 3rd pairing LD plus Zboril. IF the Bruins get to the playoffs and you try and play McAvoy close to 30 a game teams will just pound him like the Isles did in the second round last year. You think Carlo is up for 24 a game and able to withstand that pounding as well? Not with his recent track record. Klingberg is not a 1/2 dman. Look at his last 2+ years of play. He is a 3/4 dman at this stage of his career. Exactly the upgrade you say the Bruins need from Clifton on the right side and the type of support I say our LD need. Whether the Bruins have the assets or the will to pull off this upgrade remains to be seen. DS has not left himself much wiggle room.


Guys that i think will be available and could be had for reasonable costs/semi reasonable costs: Nick Leddy, Mark Giordano, P.K. Subban, Hampus Lindholm, Josh Manson, Olli Maatta, Alex Edler, Ben chiarot,
 
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