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Buying and Selling at deadline

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: 17 nov. 2021
Publié: 17 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Devils du New Jersey
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. 2022 1e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Subban, P.K. (4 500 000 $ retained)
  2. 2022 4e round pick (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Pulock is out. Subban can’t replacement in Islanders style of play, but it’s the best we got. And we know Lou is on speed-dial at the deadline. 4th goes to third team to retain 25% if needed.
2.
NJD
  1. Fiala, Kevin
Détails additionnels:
I have always felt Fiala’s game would add a lot to NJD, and more specifically, to Hischier line.
MIN
  1. Okhotyuk, Nikita
  2. Boqvist, Jesper
  3. 2022 2e round pick (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
Trade package from Wild fan thread (via team #2906236)
Rachats de contrats
  • Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • P.K. Subban: 4 500 000 $ (50%)
  • Will Butcher: 910 569 $ (24%)
Frais appliqués
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
NJD
NYI
NJD
NJD
EDM
CBJ
NJD
NJD
2023
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2024
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $70 801 402 $0 $4 500 000 $10 698 598 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NJD
Tatar, Tomas
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
NJD
Hughes, Jack
925 000 $
C
UFA - 1
NJD
Sharangovich, Yegor
2 000 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 2
NJD
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
NJD
Mercer, Dawson
894 167 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
2 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
NJD
Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 6
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
5 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
NJD
Wood, Miles
2 750 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
975 000 $
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Vesey, Jimmy
800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NJD
Graves, Ryan
3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 2
NJD
Hamilton, Dougie
9 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
2 800 000 $
G
RFA - 2
NJD
Siegenthaler, Jonas
1 125 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
NJD
Severson, Damon
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 2
NJD
Bernier, Jonathan
4 125 000 $
G
UFA - 2
NJD
White, Colton
750 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
NJD
Smith, Ty
863 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
NJD
Kuokkanen, Janne
1 825 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
NJD
Holtz, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 3
NJD
Jaros, Christian
800 000 $
DD
RFA - 1

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17 nov. 2021 à 21 h 29
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These would be my suggestions
Make the Islanders pick protected. They're bottom 10 in the league right now so they probably want to keep their pick or have it protected
Switch Boqvist to Kuokkanen. Gives the Wild a more NHL-ready player. But if they want Bo that's fine too. I like the deal for the Devils though
Send Holtz down to Utica (to give him ice time)
17 nov. 2021 à 21 h 38
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Why don't you give the Islanders a first for subban for saving the devils organization some money
17 nov. 2021 à 21 h 40
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Quoting: Devil1122
These would be my suggestions
Make the Islanders pick protected. They're bottom 10 in the league right now so they probably want to keep their pick or have it protected
Switch Boqvist to Kuokkanen. Gives the Wild a more NHL-ready player. But if they want Bo that's fine too. I like the deal for the Devils though
Send Holtz down to Utica (to give him ice time)


Agree on all. Not sure Lou cares so much about 1st rounders, but some protection makes sense (if Lou made sense).

And Holtz to Utica. Wouldn’t sit him in press box. I just left him there because I wanted to send Geertsen down.

(Also, Wood and Hughes are in lineup, so this would be end of year team).
17 nov. 2021 à 21 h 41
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Quoting: islesadist
Why don't you give the Islanders a first for subban for saving the devils organization some money


Cash-wise, it’s like $100k for Islanders. All his bonuses are already paid.
17 nov. 2021 à 21 h 42
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You can keep Slewban for that price
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17 nov. 2021 à 21 h 46
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I don't know which Wild fan suggested that, but that's not going to cut it for Fiala.
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17 nov. 2021 à 22 h 3
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Yeah not really the package I would expect in return for Fiala. Not sure what other pieces would need to be included from both sides but what about a trade centered around Fiala for Holtz. I know NJ fans will hate it, because no one ever wants to move a prospect, but just saying that's something I'd be very interested in.
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17 nov. 2021 à 22 h 18
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In what world is Minnesota not only selling at the deadline but also selling one of their biggest offensive threats for easily less than they could get in theory?

Also, that's way too much for PK
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17 nov. 2021 à 22 h 21
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Lou wouldnt trade a 7th rd pick for Subban, let alone a 1st, I’m not sure what Subban would do to help the isles.
17 nov. 2021 à 22 h 28
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Cash-wise, it’s like $100k for Islanders. All his bonuses are already paid.


Idk shouldn't be more than a 3rd then
17 nov. 2021 à 22 h 31
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Minnesota isn't selling @ deadline. If they are out @ deadline, it wouldn't be for this proposal. He's worth more than this
17 nov. 2021 à 23 h 37
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Quoting: OutCold13
Yeah not really the package I would expect in return for Fiala. Not sure what other pieces would need to be included from both sides but what about a trade centered around Fiala for Holtz. I know NJ fans will hate it, because no one ever wants to move a prospect, but just saying that's something I'd be very interested in.


It’s just not that realistic. Prospects like Holtz rarely get moved unless it’s some Berard-like situation.
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17 nov. 2021 à 23 h 49
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Quoting: C21
In what world is Minnesota not only selling at the deadline but also selling one of their biggest offensive threats for easily less than they could get in theory?


Quoting: CAPDumba
Minnesota isn't selling deadline. If they are out deadline, it wouldn't be for this proposal. He's worth more than this


It probably wouldn’t be a deadline deal…would more likely be be end of season thing.

(Odds that Devils buying at deadline are probably low too).

Call it a 2022 entry draft trade. Works then?
17 nov. 2021 à 23 h 51
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It’s just not that realistic. Prospects like Holtz rarely get moved unless it’s some Berard-like situation.


I won't argue with you on that point, because you are right. I just don't know what the original Wild fan was thinking when he proposed the trade you have here in the first place. Wild likely do trade Fiala but not until next off-season. Because of cap constraints it will likely be for picks or prospects. I and most other Wild fans aren't that impressed with this package, since other GMs know Guerin has to move out money he might not get the return we would all like to see.
17 nov. 2021 à 23 h 54
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Quoting: joshelkin
You can keep Slewban for that price


Quoting: Db1899
Lou wouldnt trade a 7th rd pick for Subban, let alone a 1st, I’m not sure what Subban would do to help the isles.


Quoting: islesadist
Idk shouldn't be more than a 3rd then


Don’t underestimate Lou’s penchant for sending favorable trades to New Jersey!

Subban shouldn’t have much of a problem getting a 2nd at deadline. A 1st may be hard, but you never know. Even David Savard got a 1st.
18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 3
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Quoting: OutCold13
I won't argue with you on that point, because you are right. I just don't know what the original Wild fan was thinking when he proposed the trade you have here in the first place. Wild likely do trade Fiala but not until next off-season. Because of cap constraints it will likely be for picks or prospects. I and most other Wild fans aren't that impressed with this package, since other GMs know Guerin has to move out money he might not get the return we would all like to see.


Read the thread on the trade here https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/529516?post_id=2797190.

I even increased the ask from NJ. Boqvist is a gamble as cheap change-of-scenery candidate. Has been a tweener center prospect (done well in AHL, yet to put it together in NHL). And with Hughes, Hischier, Mercer, McLeod up the middle, he may not get much of a chance in NJ.

Okhotiuk is physical two-way LD and has really grown as more well-rounded prospect this year in AHL with a pretty high floor. Devils have Graves, Smith and Siegenthaler in NHL and Hughes, Bahl, Mukhamadulkin arriving over next few years…so Okhotiuk also may be blocked.
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18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 11
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Read the thread on the trade here https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/529516?post_id=2797190.

I even increased the ask from NJ. Boqvist is a gamble as cheap change-of-scenery candidate. Has been a tweener center prospect (done well in AHL, yet to put it together in NHL). And with Hughes, Hischier, Mercer, McLeod up the middle, he may not get much of a chance in NJ.

Okhotiuk is physical two-way LD and has really grown as more well-rounded prospect this year in AHL with a pretty high floor. Devils have Graves, Smith and Siegenthaler in NHL and Hughes, Bahl, Mukhamadulkin arriving over next few years…so Okhotiuk also may be blocked.


Yeah I'm going to question his knowledge of the Wild pipeline. Wild are stocked at left D. Lambos isn't known for physical play but he is 6-1 so not small.
Then there is O'Rourke he is 6 foot or better and very physical.
Then Wild have Hunt who is well rounded not overly physical but can take it there if need be. So LD would be of very little interest in reality. Boqvist is intriguing but to much of a gamble to be the main piece.
18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 15
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Don’t underestimate Lou’s penchant for sending favorable trades to New Jersey!

Subban shouldn’t have much of a problem getting a 2nd at deadline. A 1st may be hard, but you never know. Even David Savard got a 1st.


Subban never played for Lou and he’s a terrible hockey player at this point in his career. Lou has made two trades with NJ, both trades were a big reason why the isles have made the ECF two years in a row. Subban would make the isles worse which is why it isn’t going to happen. Also Isles do not need a RHD, if they are going to make a trade for a defenseman it will be a LHD to replace Chara
18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 25
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Subban never played for Lou and he’s a terrible hockey player at this point in his career. Lou has made two trades with NJ, both trades were a big reason why the isles have made the ECF two years in a row. Subban would make the isles worse which is why it isn’t going to happen. Also Isles do not need a RHD, if they are going to make a trade for a defenseman it will be a LHD to replace Chara


This is just a thing that people like to say because for whatever reason some love to hate him. Hockey people don’t feel that way. He may not be Norris-contender or $9 million-a-year player, but is still a solid d-man.
18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 29
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Yeah I'm going to question his knowledge of the Wild pipeline. Wild are stocked at left D. Lambos isn't known for physical play but he is 6-1 so not small.
Then there is O'Rourke he is 6 foot or better and very physical.
Then Wild have Hunt who is well rounded not overly physical but can take it there if need be. So LD would be of very little interest in reality. Boqvist is intriguing but to much of a gamble to be the main piece.


He had said LD and C were the needs. Kuokkanen could also be an option (really anyone other than obvious core / future core guys). I think one of my offers over summer was Kuokkanen, a protected 1st plus another small piece. Would stick with that too if chances are high we could re-sign Fiala.
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18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 39
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
It probably wouldn’t be a deadline deal…would more likely be be end of season thing.

(Odds that Devils buying at deadline are probably low too).

Call it a 2022 entry draft trade. Works then?


I was under the impression that this was a deadline ACGM scenario but even then I still think Minnesota would get more if they do end up trading Fiala so I gotta say no, I don't think it works then.

Why? We just saw Sam Rienhart, a similarly producing player who had Jack Eichel to play with (Fiala hasn't really had anything) demand a trade get more in return.
18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 40
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
He had said LD and C were the needs. Kuokkanen could also be an option (really anyone other than obvious core / future core guys). I think one of my offers over summer was Kuokkanen, a protected 1st plus another small piece. Would stick with that too if chances are high we could re-sign Fiala.


Kuokkanen, and a protected 1st, plus another small piece is more intriguing. I don't know enough about Kuokkanens development to say yes to a deal like that but from what I know of him prior to being drafted I'd say that offer is in the ballpark.
18 nov. 2021 à 0 h 59
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Quoting: OutCold13
Kuokkanen, and a protected 1st, plus another small piece is more intriguing. I don't know enough about Kuokkanens development to say yes to a deal like that but from what I know of him prior to being drafted I'd say that offer is in the ballpark.


Do with this whatever you will, but Kuokkanen has been a third/fourth line winger all year
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18 nov. 2021 à 1 h 28
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I feel like if we are going to trade Fiala, something premium needs to be coming back to us. At least a 1st or a great prospect. This package is just.... meh
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