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prospect swap

Créé par: Root
Date de création initiale: 17 nov. 2021
Publié: 17 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Explications
New York Rangers 1st round pick Vitali Kravtsov is in self exile in the KHL. The 21 year-old is playing for Traktor and awaiting a trade.

The Los Angeles Kings 1st round selection, Gabriel Vilardi has struggled to make the team. The 22 year-old is in the AHL and has the NY Post’s Larry Brooks speculating a potential trade.

"The Kings have assigned 22-year-old center Gabriel Vilardi to the AHL. The 11th-overall selection of 2017 would merit interest, perhaps even in a swap for Vitali Kravtsov’s rights," he writes.

Vilardi is a big center, and it is a position of weakness in the Rangers organization prospect pipeline. If the Kings would be willing to make the swap, it could be beneficial for both players and franchises.
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. Vilardi, Gabriel
LAK
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
Rachats de contrats
  • Henrik Lundqvist: 1 500 000 $
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
  • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
  • Anthony Deangelo: 383 334 $
  • Brad Richards: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
NYR
NYR
STL
NYR
WPG
NYR
NYR
2023
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
2024
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $73 534 761 $0 $8 400 000 $7 965 239 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
NYR
Reaves, Ryan
1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
NYR
Kreider, Chris
6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
NYR
Strome, Ryan
4 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
NYR
Kakko, Kaapo
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
NYR
Goodrow, Barclay
3 641 667 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 6
NYR
Chytil, Filip
2 300 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
NYR
Gauthier, Julien
775 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
NYR
Lafrenière, Alexis
925 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
NYR
McKegg, Greg
750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
NYR
Rooney, Kevin
750 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
NYR
Hunt, Dryden
762 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
LAK
Vilardi, Gabriel
894 167 $
C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
3 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
5 666 667 $
G
UFA - 4
NYR
Nemeth, Patrik
2 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
NYR
Lundkvist, Nils
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
2 425 000 $
G
RFA - 1
NYR
Miller, K'Andre
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
925 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
NYR
Tinordi, Jarred
900 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
NYR
Hájek, Libor
874 125 $
DG
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
NYR
Blais, Samuel
1 500 000 $
AD
RFA - 1

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17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 0
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Yes. Please.

I wanted the Rangers to draft him over Lias in 2017.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 2
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Quoting: MauriceRichard1028
Yes. Please.

I wanted the Rangers to draft him over Lias in 2017.


Kupari might be a better target.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 3
#3
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Krava first game back he gets 2G-1A inclucding the overtime winner.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 3
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Quoting: Duggysdanglers
Kupari might be a better target.


I would love Kupari, I just think Vilardi is a more realistic (and fairer) match for Krav's value. But if the Kings want to give up Kupari, I'm all for it haha
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 9
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Neither Kupari or Vilardi are available yet. The team needs to have a good look at: Vilardi, Kupari, Byfield, and Turcotte, until the. you won’t see much movement.

Also do you think Kravtsov would be actually be ok with not being played in the NHL and basically have the exact same issue with the Kings?

Finally Kravtsov could be had for a 2nd, not sure I’d accept that for Kupari or Vilardi.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 13
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Quoting: tryger
Neither Kupari or Vilardi are available yet. The team needs to have a good look at: Vilardi, Kupari, Byfield, and Turcotte, until the. you won’t see much movement.

Also do you think Kravtsov would be actually be ok with not being played in the NHL and basically have the exact same issue with the Kings?

Finally Kravtsov could be had for a 2nd, not sure I’d accept that for Kupari or Vilardi.


curious - why could Kravtsov "be had" for a 2nd?
is this on record or just a manifestation of this websites comments section?
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 16
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Quoting: tryger
Neither Kupari or Vilardi are available yet. The team needs to have a good look at: Vilardi, Kupari, Byfield, and Turcotte, until the. you won’t see much movement.

Also do you think Kravtsov would be actually be ok with not being played in the NHL and basically have the exact same issue with the Kings?

Finally Kravtsov could be had for a 2nd, not sure I’d accept that for Kupari or Vilardi.


Vilardi could be had for a 2nd.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 17
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
curious - why could Kravtsov "be had" for a 2nd?
is this on record or just a manifestation of this websites comments section?


He struggled in the NHL, refuses to play in the AHL and Russian factor makes requesting a 1st rounder an impossibility to me.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 18
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Quoting: Root
Vilardi could be had for a 2nd.


If he was for sale, maybe. But the Kings have been patient with him. Remember this guy had 1.5 years out on injury. He’s still a prospect the team is high on.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 26
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Quoting: tryger
He struggled in the NHL, refuses to play in the AHL and Russian factor makes requesting a 1st rounder an impossibility to me.


so a manifestation of the sites comment section - got it.
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17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 29
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Quoting: tryger
He struggled in the NHL, refuses to play in the AHL and Russian factor makes requesting a 1st rounder an impossibility to me.


Krava didn't struggle. What happen was.. He was put of the 4th line last year and this year was his coming out party but with Rangers using a lot of there Cap and Krava on his contract year was placed in the AHL so Rangers won't have to offer big $$ for him next year... Krava not being an idiot pretty such said "Yes well now you can trade me" Rangers overplayed their hand with Krava. He's very very talented and insider Darren Dreger has said over 20 teams are intreseted in him.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 31
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
so a manifestation of the sites comment section - got it.


You can do a simple google search, NHL pundits have guesstimated that his value is close to what the return of Lias Andersson was.

Aside from that, what kind of site do you think you are on? Isn’t the whole point of ACGMs to hear how other fans would judge trade values based on need and past similar trades? If you think you could get a first for Kravtsov, post it. I’m not sure you will find a fan base willing to pay that.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 32
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Quoting: Root
Krava didn't struggle. What happen was.. He was put of the 4th line last year and this year was his coming out party but with Rangers using a lot of there Cap and Krava on his contract year was placed in the AHL so Rangers won't have to offer big $$ for him next year... Krava not being an idiot pretty such said "Yes well now you can trade me" Rangers overplayed their hand with Krava. He's very very talented and insider Darren Dreger has said over 20 teams are intreseted in him.


Quoting: Root
Krava didn't struggle. What happen was.. He was put of the 4th line last year and this year was his coming out party but with Rangers using a lot of there Cap and Krava on his contract year was placed in the AHL so Rangers won't have to offer big $$ for him next year... Krava not being an idiot pretty such said "Yes well now you can trade me" Rangers overplayed their hand with Krava. He's very very talented and insider Darren Dreger has said over 20 teams are intreseted in him.


Great I hope they get a first for him, I think it will be closer to a 2nd or a bubble prospect.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 39
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Quoting: tryger
You can do a simple google search, NHL pundits have guesstimated that his value is close to what the return of Lias Andersson was.

Aside from that, what kind of site do you think you are on? Isn’t the whole point of ACGMs to hear how other fans would judge trade values based on need and past similar trades? If you think you could get a first for Kravtsov, post it. I’m not sure you will find a fan base willing to pay that.


Some bloggers was speculating a 2nd back for Krava so you not lying but that was until all the insiders said a high 1st inreturn. These bloggers jump on it fast for "clicks" to make $$ without the full story and thats why a lot of bloggers get trashed in their comment section.
17 nov. 2021 à 10 h 47
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Quoting: Root
Some bloggers was speculating a 2nd back for Krava so you not lying but that was until all the insiders said a high 1st inreturn. These bloggers jump on it fast for "clicks" to make $$ without the full story and thats why a lot of bloggers get trashed in their comment section.


If they can get or have him come back that’s great. But the similarities to this and Lias Andersson are close, if this goes on until the off-season I don’t think anyone would fault Rangers brass for taking a low to mid second.

From the Kings perspective Kupari has outplayed Vilardi while he was on the COVID list. Which is less about confidence in him, and more that another first round pick played his way into his role. Expect this yo-yo to continue as Turcotte and Byfield also go for spots. Once that is done, the Rangers could take a crack at one of these center's
17 nov. 2021 à 13 h 28
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Quoting: tryger
You can do a simple google search, NHL pundits have guesstimated that his value is close to what the return of Lias Andersson was.

Aside from that, what kind of site do you think you are on? Isn’t the whole point of ACGMs to hear how other fans would judge trade values based on need and past similar trades? If you think you could get a first for Kravtsov, post it. I’m not sure you will find a fan base willing to pay that.


The somewhat “lazy” answer from pundits is to say the return for Krav should be similar to the 2nd Lias brought back- due to similar circumstances…but Krav is bigger, faster, and WAY more talented than Lias. Krav has top line upside…Lias upside most likely mid 6 (although a C). In the end if Krav tears up the KHL- his value might even increase-and NYR would be crazy to give him away. But if he struggles over there I can see the Rangers trying to salvage any value they can…I think Drury will play it like EDM played JP…and that has worked out pretty well
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17 nov. 2021 à 13 h 54
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Quoting: Jimbo1119
The somewhat “lazy” answer from pundits is to say the return for Krav should be similar to the 2nd Lias brought back- due to similar circumstances…but Krav is bigger, faster, and WAY more talented than Lias. Krav has top line upside…Lias upside most likely mid 6 (although a C). In the end if Krav tears up the KHL- his value might even increase-and NYR would be crazy to give him away. But if he struggles over there I can see the Rangers trying to salvage any value they can…I think Drury will play it like EDM played JP…and that has worked out pretty well


Oh, I agree, I think keeping him is in their best interest honestly. Krav could be a phenom, he could also decide to stay in the KHL and rip it up and go back only if the Rangers pick a team he would like to go to hampering his value. That's why I am reluctant to give up a 1st, it's not his potential, it's his risk of defecting and attitude to not put time in the minors.

But as for what the Kings would give up, I'd say no more than a 2nd as a potential bubble playoff/lottery team and make none of our blue chip prospects available until they have given them a full look and found that they don't fit well on the team.
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17 nov. 2021 à 14 h 4
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Quoting: tryger
Oh, I agree, I think keeping him is in their best interest honestly. Krav could be a phenom, he could also decide to stay in the KHL and rip it up and go back only if the Rangers pick a team he would like to go to hampering his value. That's why I am reluctant to give up a 1st, it's not his potential, it's his risk of defecting and attitude to not put time in the minors.

But as for what the Kings would give up, I'd say no more than a 2nd as a potential bubble playoff/lottery team and make none of our blue chip prospects available until they have given them a full look and found that they don't fit well on the team.


Krava openly said he'll play for another AHL team and work his way up just not for the Rangers AHL team lol He even said he'll play for the Rangers as well lol Something about the Wolf Pack he dislikes.
17 nov. 2021 à 14 h 5
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Quoting: Root
Krava openly said he'll play for another AHL team and work his way up just not for the Rangers AHL team lol He even said he'll play for the Rangers as well lol Something about the Wolf Pack he dislikes.


Second part to that tweet
17 nov. 2021 à 14 h 11
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Quoting: Duggysdanglers
Kupari might be a better target.


Yeah. Not happening
 
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