Lol, that made me laugh.

Another trade involving top prospect Future Considerations.

Future Considerations.

AKA diddly squat.

Toronto wins.

Seems like this site has a bad habit of not making his name a proper noun. Future Considerations is a generational talent, put some RESPECT on his name.

Good. That’ll average out the Big 4, with their high cap hits and low hit totals.

Bringing back “Uncle Leo” would be awesome.

He cleared waivers. He wasn't taking up a roster spot.

And I don't get why having him push out young players in the ahl is a bigger concern than nhl depth. Nhl depth is far more important than worrying about 4th line ahlers.

So I don't really get how this can be viewed as a St. Louis win. It just can't, because one team gets a 4th line/ahl guy (with a buryable cap hit) and the other gets nothing.

- He's not going to be healthy scratched in the AHL. He will be playing over somebody else (likely younger than him) that has a chance of being an NHL player.

- His analytics prove that he's an awful 4th liner and very easily replaceable. He's not a good depth option at this point in his career. High chance literally any player in the AHL plays better than him.

- St.Louis gets an extra contract spot (flexibility if they want to sign/trade for someone) and their AHL team can focus on development/giving ice time to a younger player rather than playing someone near the end of their career.

Just my thought process. We can agree to disagree.

First of all, absolutely we can agree to disagree. I just don't really understand your view here.

He's not a high quality 4th liner, I agree.

But he's still a nice depth option who can provide some grit. You honestly are telling me that ahl 4th liners are better than him? Why do you think that?

Wait till he comes back home to Carolina at the TDL to become Clifford The Big Red Dog like he should be

It's a win for the Blue ownership and management.

You don't waste $1 million of cap space for a part time Nhler and you really don't want to pay $1.3 million in real cash for an Ahler, since he has a 1way contract.

And unlike you believe, Clifford not taking up a young player spot is important.

$1 million cap space is useful to have, come TDL.

Clifford is an Ontario boy for the Blues did the classy thing and sent him home, even if it is to play for the Marlies.

The Leafs win in what way ? 4th line toughness ? Gabriel was suppose to be that extra tough guy, 1/2 a million $ cheaper.

Dubas loses, other than looking slightly better getting Clifford back who he traded for.

I don't think so many understand the situation. If the Leafs had claimed him on waivers, they would had to place on the NHL club. Clifford cleared waivers so the Leafs traded for him, and put on waivers, he cleared again, so the he's a Marlie.
Leafs are in big trouble if they have so many injuries to their wingers, if they have to promote him to the Leafs. I suppose the Marlies needed a winger, so why not. He was raised nearby so maybe he can see his family more than if he was on the St Louis AHL team

Clifford in the minors doesn't affect the Leafs cap at all. It just cost the Leafs ownership money. Maybe the Marlies are weak at forward was the reason for the acquisition, really nothing to do with the Leafs/

hey i remmenebeber this dude

Lol. It’s just another gotta hate it because it’s Toronto trade. Literally nothing else. Clifford costs nothing to the leafs. And takes a spot away from a Marlie? Dear god. What if he takes Marc Michaelis outta the lineup.

Absolutely. If it was any other team, there would be no debate about who wins this trade.

Then we can have Clifford cranking Mrazek again and have Aryes suit up for the leafs lol

Blues ownership saves 1 mil. Ok? Why has nobody ever used this argument before despite the fact that there are countless trades of which see a team dealing a cap hit of 1 mil or more to another team for no cap hit? 900k is a normal amount for a guy who is called up and down, but somehow when a player gets to 1 million it's to much for a guy who is sent up and down.

And can someone please just explain to me why taking an ahl 4th liner out of his ahl spot is a bad thing?!?! AHL 4th liners rarely play in the nhl. And if they do, it's in a similar role to Clifford's.

He's not a nice depth option though. He isn't an NHL player anymore, and takes bad penalties on top of it.

I think almost any AHL player would be better than him because of how bad his analytics are.

IMO the only reason the Leafs acquired was for the forward depleted Marlies. If he is ever recalled to the Leafs, the Leafs would really have serious injury problems. Leafs have few Marlies that are NHL capable. Leafs best prospects are the injured Robertson and guys in the European leagues.

"We're going to win so much that you're going to be sick and tired. You're going to say 'Please, Please Mr. Dubas, we're sick and tired of winning. Please let us have at least one loss. Its no longer exciting to win.' and I'm going to say, 'No way, we're going to keep winning, and I don't care if you like it or not'"

Kyle Dubas aka BIG DUB DUBAS

Do you mind showing me a chart for him?

Kyle Clifford, acquired by TOR, is a defensive fourth line forward with a poor penalty differential who's been playing pretty tiny minutes in St. Louis. #LeafsForever pic.twitter.com/p4807M6N0E

— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) November 16, 2021

This is playing sheltered 4th line minutes, so with more time, it will get even worse

Umm...my point Stl, wins for do the classy thing and sending Clifford back home, rather than to their Ahl team.

And Stl. wins for saving $1.3 million (probably $1 million left now) in real cash.

And Leafs had Gabriel already to extra goon and Mrazek, so Dubas looks bad for bringing in a replacement goon over his big off season signing and I'm sure Petr isn't too happy to see Clifford, if he even remembers him after the concussion he received thanks to Clifford.

Yeah that offseason signing by Dubas for Gabriel had us all creaming in our pants. Rivalled the Tavares signing.