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Is this enough

Créé par: oilersguy
Date de création initiale: 30 oct. 2021
Publié: 30 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Fleury, Marc-André (3 500 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Turris, Kyle
  2. Tullio, Tyler
  3. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
  4. 2023 2e round pick (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
  • James Neal: 1 916 667 $
  • Andrej Sekera: 1 500 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (13%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2023
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2024
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $81 237 801 $669 339 $850 000 $262 199 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
EDM
Hyman, Zach
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
EDM
McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
EDM
Puljujärvi, Jesse
1 175 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
1 175 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
EDM
Foegele, Warren
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
EDM
Ryan, Derek
1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
EDM
Kassian, Zack
3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
EDM
Benson, Tyler
750 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
EDM
Shore, Devin
850 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
EDM
Perlini, Brendan
750 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
EDM
Bouchard, Evan
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
CHI
Fleury, Marc-André
3 500 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
EDM
Ceci, Cody
3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
4 500 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Koekkoek, Slater
925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
EDM
Barrie, Tyson
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
EDM
Russell, Kris
1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
EDM
Smith, Mike
2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
4 167 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Sceviour, Colton
750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Archibald, Josh
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
EDM
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 1
#1
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wasnt MAF dealt for an AHL player? why would he be worth this much now?
30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 6
#2
Démarrer sujet
why r u so pissy
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Quoting: Dmaz026
wasnt MAF dealt for an AHL player? why would he be worth this much now?


that was just Vegas not even caring and trying to shed some cap, and in this trade he is being 50% retained
30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 6
#3
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Well since he was traded for literally nothing coming off a vezina winning season, I would say it's enough.
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30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 7
#4
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Quoting: Dmaz026
wasnt MAF dealt for an AHL player? why would he be worth this much now?


Hes a vezina winner.
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30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 8
#5
exo2769
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As a Hawks fan, I'd say it's enough for sure. Goalies don't have a ton of trade value. I just don't know if MAF would want to get traded. He might prefer to retire...IDK
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30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 12
#6
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I like it. Dont know how MAF would feel about it, I cant blame him for wanting out considering whats happening on and off the ice.
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30 oct. 2021 à 18 h 52
#7
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Quoting: CFMan
Hes a vezina winner.


He’s Not one on the hawks.
30 oct. 2021 à 20 h 1
#8
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Too much to give up.
30 oct. 2021 à 20 h 11
#9
Days of our Hawks
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Quoting: oilersguy
that was just Vegas not even caring and trying to shed some cap, and in this trade he is being 50% retained


And Chicago doesn’t have any defence
30 oct. 2021 à 20 h 12
#10
Days of our Hawks
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Anyways the first alone would be enough to get him screw everything else in the trade
30 oct. 2021 à 20 h 45
#11
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Quoting: coga16
He’s Not one on the hawks.


Didnt know that doesnt make him a Vezina winner.
30 oct. 2021 à 20 h 48
#12
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Quoting: CFMan
Didnt know that doesnt make him a Vezina winner.


What he did last year us irrelevant when discussing his current play

Considering he’s a goalie who had lost his starting job 3 times in. The last 5 years and 2 out of the last 3 playoffs was benched to watch his team eliminated…it’s not a shocker to see him go back to his inconsistent play once again
30 oct. 2021 à 20 h 58
#13
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Quoting: coga16
What he did last year us irrelevant when discussing his current play

Considering he’s a goalie who had lost his starting job 3 times in. The last 5 years and 2 out of the last 3 playoffs was benched to watch his team eliminated…it’s not a shocker to see him go back to his inconsistent play once again


Pretty sure you would be the only one to say that accolades from just the past year are irrelevant on here. Your analysis makes it sound like MAF is to blame for everything when its a wholesale team collapse with a buffoon at the helm. If I remember correctly PIT wrongly put their faith in Murray whose no longer with their org and Lehner has had a shaky start to his season so both teams suffered the negative effects from the loss of MAF who would be a great starter on a team with a real coach and system.
30 oct. 2021 à 21 h 1
#14
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Quoting: CFMan
Pretty sure you would be the only one to say that accolades from just the past year are irrelevant on here. Your analysis makes it sound like MAF is to blame for everything when its a wholesale team collapse with a buffoon at the helm. If I remember correctly PIT wrongly put their faith in Murray whose no longer with their org and Lehner has had a shaky start to his season so both teams suffered the negative effects from the loss of MAF who would be a great starter on a team with a real coach and system.


It’s not analysis. It’s actual events that happened, that is just the facts around fluery time in Vegas, why did you think they got lehner in the first place, they questioned mafs ability

And that came true not once but twice in Vegas with fluery
30 oct. 2021 à 21 h 52
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Quoting: coga16
It’s not analysis. It’s actual events that happened, that is just the facts around fluery time in Vegas, why did you think they got lehner in the first place, they questioned mafs ability

And that came true not once but twice in Vegas with fluery


Funny, Lehner has lost his starting job more times in 5 years than Fleury and seems to be having a tough start alone right now. Pretty sure Marc Andre already proved his ability with his overall play in the playoffs 2.03 GAA .918% SAV in 16 games sounds pretty good to me, better than Lehner last year. MAF on an abysmal team so of course his play will take a hit, so not sure why you think a good team wouldnt want him. People are making trades for him on here so clearly he has value.
30 oct. 2021 à 21 h 56
#16
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Quoting: CFMan
Funny, Lehner has lost his starting job more times in 5 years than Fleury and seems to be having a tough start alone right now. Pretty sure Marc Andre already proved his ability with his overall play in the playoffs 2.03 GAA .918% SAV in 16 games sounds pretty good to me, better than Lehner last year. MAF on an abysmal team so of course his play will take a hit, so not sure why you think a good team wouldnt want him. People are making trades for him on here so clearly he has value.


Never said that, read my statements before you jump to conclusions,
30 oct. 2021 à 23 h 23
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Quoting: coga16
Never said that, read my statements before you jump to conclusions,


I have, you said awards like the Vezina mean nothing less than a year removed from receiving them, you said losing your job is indicative of a bad goaltender while Fleury lost his job twice whereas Lehner has lost his job 4 times in the same amount of time, you said MAF sat for 2 of the playoffs when he basically only sat for 1, and that was 2 years ago while the most recent year he played 16 games to Lehners 3 all while having a better GAA and SV% than him. I guess winning the Vezina last year means nothing but his play 2 years ago means everything? Each statement you've brought up said is just plain wrong or moot.
30 oct. 2021 à 23 h 26
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Modifié 30 oct. 2021 à 23 h 34
Quoting: CFMan
I have, you said awards like the Vezina mean nothing less than a year removed from receiving them, you said losing your job is indicative of a bad goaltender while Fleury lost his job twice whereas Lehner has lost his job 4 times in the same amount of time, you said MAF sat for 2 of the playoffs when he basically only sat for 1, and that was 2 years ago while the most recent year he played 16 games to Lehners 3 all while having a better GAA and SV% than him. I guess winning the Vezina last year means nothing but his play 2 years ago means everything? Each statement you've brought up said is just plain wrong or moot.


I didn’t say that, I said him being a veizna winner last tear is irrelevant when discussing his current play this year .

And where did I say bad goaltending? I said inconsistent.

You are looking for things that are just not there bc you want to fan boy bicker about him.
31 oct. 2021 à 0 h 5
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Modifié 31 oct. 2021 à 0 h 44
Quoting: coga16
I didn’t say that, I said him being a veizna winner last tear is irrelevant when discussing his current play this year .

You are looking for things that are just not there bc you want to fan boy bicker about him.


If a guy wins the Vezina ANY year it obviously has a positive factor in his value, no matter how small, even when hes on a terrible second to last team. You think teams wouldnt factor that in when evaluating him?
No bickering, you're just making uncharacteristically peculiar points. You're one of the voices for the AVs that holds weight, so its just weird to see you bagging on MAF.
31 oct. 2021 à 9 h 28
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Modifié 31 oct. 2021 à 11 h 19
Quoting: CFMan
If a guy wins the Vezina ANY year it obviously has a positive factor in his value, no matter how small, even when hes on a terrible second to last team. You think teams wouldnt factor that in when evaluating him?
No bickering, you're just making uncharacteristically peculiar points. You're one of the voices for the AVs that holds weight, so its just weird to see you bagging on MAF.


Who is bagging him, i have not once said anything negative saying he sucks. Hes bad, he’s worthless etc . I have an accurate summary of his career the past 4-5 years and the point that the past is irrelevant when talking about his current play. You bring up Lehners career....that is not the conversation, projecting onto another player and what they have done has nothing to do with MAF and his current play and his career the past few years. This is about MAF, not other goalies. And you bring up the point about trophies adding value despite how long ago they were....Did Taylor Hall winning the Hart spike his value in trades the following year? No teams paid what he was worth at that time, not what he was worth back then. If that was true why was MAF given away for free this summer, the previous summer they tried to give a 2nd round pick with him at 50% and no one wanted him. The value of fluery doesnt spike now bc he won the veizna and is on the hawks, his value is set. Hes a 37 year old goalie, teams are not in a rush to make that a priority 1 trade for them

You keep on making this statements of what I assume or think to ty to justify your out rage about MAF, always attacking me trying to make stance fit you narrative so you can bicker about it, you can’t project anything onto my words that are simply not there. I made a simple point, that’s it
 
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