Devils decline

It's better than nothing!

Dreamy and everything, but now try 23, 24 & 25, season. Impossible while giving up futures...

I wouldn't say I gave up futures that are overly significant to 23 and forward, other than the 2022 1st -- but that should be irrelevant when it's being used to get a long term piece back in Hertl (as opposed to a short term piece like Smith).

Chytil or no deal. Kravtsov is overrated.

You're not GM.

You are not either. You are Armchair GM. The difference is not subtle.

Hajek and Krav don't add enough value to this deal. Maybe if Hajek- in some spot starts (due to injury or other players struggling) shows some dependability he can accrue some value...and maybe if Krav takes a bite of some humble pie...and returns to Hartford- where he shows he belongs in NY...then upon return shows some real NHL potential. I wouldn't hold my breath on either scenario...reality is Hajek is probably a fringe NHLer and Krav has a piss poor attitude that any NHL GM would be crazy to realize this type value in a deal for a horse like Hertl.

My point is you have to judge trades by actual asset values. You can have the opinion that Vitali Kravtsov is "overrated," but you can't use that as a basis for trade value evaluation. That's only a player value evaluation.

Well you gave away Hajek, Gauthier, 22 4th, 23 3rd, Kravtsov and a 22 1st that could come in handy as of 24-26 for 2 rentals!?!
Cannot afford Hertl as of 24, period!

It's well known that Kravtsov's trade value has plummeted ever since the beginning of his hiatus, but I would evaluate his value as about a 2nd (Lias Andersson). For a guy on an expiring deal like Tomas Hertl, my expectation is his package to be something a little better than the package for Christian Dvorak (that's Hajek + 4th in this case).

Do you really believe Hajek and Gauthier are definitive futures? They're both depth pieces who are very replaceable. League minimum players would give the Rangers the same production as them.
And I'm not giving up Kravtsov and the 22 1st (the only two significant future pieces) for a rental. If you read the description, I have Hertl signing an extension with the Rangers. How did you come to the conclusion that New York can't afford him in 2024?

Sharks will make the playoffs I think.

Please show in this scenario them resigning Laf, Miller, Kakko and Fox under this Hertl acquisition. Genuinely curious to see how you fill out the roster in 2023-24.

Your trade does not equate to even remotely fair value. Sooo your response is quite moot

Stop + Make yourself 23, 24, 25 seasons = Answer, no cap

The only way the Rangers could consider this deal would be to be enabled contact with Hertl- to either make a deal or at least confirm that they are going to be able to extend him...a rental is senseless- yet it seems you are depending on this "unknown" to reduce the value back SJS can demand. So with a deal in place (or soon to be in place)- even though the contract would be much more than Dvorak's...Hertl is a MUCH better player than Dvorak...so the difference would still require considerably more than the addition of Hajek and a 4th.

Hajek, Gauthier, 4th & 3rd for a 2nd, Kravtsov for an early 2nd, keep the 22 1st... would be more beneficial than 2 rentals.

Explain. Hertl on an expiring deal will receive a slightly better return than Christian Dvorak.

I’ll do it later tonight and tag both of you.

Im not going to explain what you can easily research on your own.

You’re too one dimensional evaluating the trade value of Hertl and Dvorak by only basing them off player value. Dvorak had one of the best contracts in the NHL and is under contract long-term. Hertl meanwhile is on an expiring deal for the Sharks and is most likely not coming back unless San Jose remains a playoff contender.

Please give me a player on an expiring contract who netted a better return than the one I proposed. Not even Mark Stone netted 75% of my package.

Well thanks for stopping by then, troll.

So far my research has led me to a package less than the one I offered: the Matt Duchene deal (which happened back before anyone knew Ottawa’s 1st would be 4th OVR).
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I mean it's pretty close to value
Chytil + 1st or Kravstov + 1st for Hertl is fair