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Only TDL move worth making

Créé par: Mulicked
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 25 oct. 2021
Publié: 25 oct. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Need a better Shutdown RD to play with high event Nurse or in role to help spread out ice time across all our D

Holloway plays before the end of the year - 19GP 4G 6A - 10P
Transactions
ANA
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $78 612 801 $669 339 $1 250 000 $2 887 199 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 7
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12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
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1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
AG, C
RFA - 3
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 600 000 $5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 538 462 $5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
2 050 000 $2 050 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
925 000 $925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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850 000 $850 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
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2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
785 000 $785 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1

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25 oct. 2021 à 20 h 25
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Future GM
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Lets not
25 oct. 2021 à 20 h 25
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Ez pass by the ducks, it’s gonna cost to dump barrie
25 oct. 2021 à 20 h 31
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Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Ez pass by the ducks, it’s gonna cost to dump barrie


They had the worst power play ever last year. I know they are starting this year looking better but having a really really good PP quarterback for their rebuild would be of huge value. Getting a first for a player that is likely walking in FA is a good return.
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25 oct. 2021 à 20 h 43
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Quoting: Mulicked
They had the worst power play ever last year. I know they are starting this year looking better but having a really really good PP quarterback for their rebuild would be of huge value. Getting a first for a player that is likely walking in FA is a good return.


A 1st+ is the asking price for Manson and Barrie is ass and was carried, he’s literally a worse version of shattenkirk
25 oct. 2021 à 20 h 44
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Ez pass by the ducks, it’s gonna cost to dump barrie

You’d pass on last year’s leading defenseman point scorer and a first for a pending UFA? Sure, Barrie isn’t the best defensively (it’s a little overblown tbh) but if he’s deployed well he can be a really valuable asset to a team. Honestly, I think you’re getting the better player in this deal, and with a first rounder to top it off it’s a no-brainer in my opinion.
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25 oct. 2021 à 20 h 49
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Ez pass by the ducks, it’s gonna cost to dump barrie


He's terrible defensively, but it wouldn't cost to trade him let's be real. I'm sure many GMs out there would still love to have him on their team.
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25 oct. 2021 à 23 h 8
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Quoting: Bigboi69
A 1st+ is the asking price for Manson and Barrie is ass and was carried, he’s literally a worse version of shattenkirk


I had posted an ACGM proposing a similar trade a couple hours earlier:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2864195

I saw it as:
2022 1st for Manson
2023 2nd for Barries contract based on Gostisbehere to Arizona in the summer
26 oct. 2021 à 1 h 32
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Ez pass by the ducks, it’s gonna cost to dump barrie


I could understand the Ducks specifically not having interest as they're going to suck terribly for the majority of Barries deal but calling the reigning scoring champion among defensemen at 4.5 mil a cap dump is simply idiotic.
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26 oct. 2021 à 2 h 27
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Quoting: Roysboy72
You’d pass on last year’s leading defenseman point scorer and a first for a pending UFA? Sure, Barrie isn’t the best defensively (it’s a little overblown tbh) but if he’s deployed well he can be a really valuable asset to a team. Honestly, I think you’re getting the better player in this deal, and with a first rounder to top it off it’s a no-brainer in my opinion.


nice pfp
26 oct. 2021 à 2 h 35
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cost to dump barrie?? highest scoring dman in the league for 4.5 ??? are you dillusional ?? or you think fowler is better ....hope you enjoy last place ...tards
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26 oct. 2021 à 7 h 54
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Quoting: Mulicked
They had the worst power play ever last year. I know they are starting this year looking better but having a really really good PP quarterback for their rebuild would be of huge value. Getting a first for a player that is likely walking in FA is a good return.


Last year was last year

This year so far ducks are 33.3% on the power play which is top 5 in the league and we got our 19 year old running it!
26 oct. 2021 à 8 h 43
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Quoting: Roysboy72
You’d pass on last year’s leading defenseman point scorer and a first for a pending UFA? Sure, Barrie isn’t the best defensively (it’s a little overblown tbh) but if he’s deployed well he can be a really valuable asset to a team. Honestly, I think you’re getting the better player in this deal, and with a first rounder to top it off it’s a no-brainer in my opinion.


Barrie is awful defensivly and has been way worse this year than he was last, he also isn’t good offensively and gets carried by mcjesues and drai
26 oct. 2021 à 8 h 44
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Quoting: hockeyconnor97
He's terrible defensively, but it wouldn't cost to trade him let's be real. I'm sure many GMs out there would still love to have him on their team.


Well that’s true but let’s be honest we are all smarter here than most nhl gm’s and Barrie isn’t worth close to 4.5 mil
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26 oct. 2021 à 8 h 46
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Quoting: EddieShore
I could understand the Ducks specifically not having interest as they're going to suck terribly for the majority of Barries deal but calling the reigning scoring champion among defensemen at 4.5 mil a cap dump is simply idiotic.


He is the worst dman defensively in the league and his numbers where extremely inflated because of who he played with
26 oct. 2021 à 14 h 1
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Barrie is awful defensivly and has been way worse this year than he was last, he also isn’t good offensively and gets carried by mcjesues and drai


Look at the last 3 years (only 1 in EDM) and you'll see that Barrie is a top-10 offensive defenseman. Your narrative needs some work.

This is a massive overpay be Edmonton.
26 oct. 2021 à 14 h 3
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Quoting: rpain
I had posted an ACGM proposing a similar trade a couple hours earlier:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2864195

I saw it as:
2022 1st for Manson
2023 2nd for Barries contract based on Gostisbehere to Arizona in the summer


That's just stupid. Barrie isn't a cap dump and Manson isn't worth a 1st.
26 oct. 2021 à 15 h 1
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That's just stupid. Barrie isn't a cap dump and Manson isn't worth a 1st.


I really hope he turns it around but Barrie has just had an awful start to the season. Out of the 5 defense that played in all 5 games, Barrie has a 5v5 xGF% of ~40%. The next lowest regular dman is 55%. The stats pass the eye test as well as it seems like he is constantly beat defensively. I take his offensive production as a grain of salt since he gets a good chunk of it in secondary assists. He does walk the line and distribute well but if he's not working it low to McD/Drai/Nuge it doesn't turn into the numbers he put up last year.

I do enjoy reading the Cult of Hockey in the journal and have notice the game grades he's gotten so far this year:
Vegas- 3
Arizona- 5
Anaheim- 3
Calgary- 4
Vancouver- 2

I can't think of another team that would willingly take that Barrie contract on without asking for an asset to go with it. When playoff time comes around, the Oilers would be better off with another RHD that plays both ends rather than a good PP QB that can't defend. In a vacuum I don't think Manson is worth a 1st but RHD always seems to be low supply high demand. I was thinking of the David Savard deadline deal in regards to compensation.
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26 oct. 2021 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: rpain
I really hope he turns it around but Barrie has just had an awful start to the season. Out of the 5 defense that played in all 5 games, Barrie has a 5v5 xGF% of ~40%. The next lowest regular dman is 55%. The stats pass the eye test as well as it seems like he is constantly beat defensively. I take his offensive production as a grain of salt since he gets a good chunk of it in secondary assists. He does walk the line and distribute well but if he's not working it low to McD/Drai/Nuge it doesn't turn into the numbers he put up last year.

I do enjoy reading the Cult of Hockey in the journal and have notice the game grades he's gotten so far this year:
Vegas- 3
Arizona- 5
Anaheim- 3
Calgary- 4
Vancouver- 2

I can't think of another team that would willingly take that Barrie contract on without asking for an asset to go with it. When playoff time comes around, the Oilers would be better off with another RHD that plays both ends rather than a good PP QB that can't defend. In a vacuum I don't think Manson is worth a 1st but RHD always seems to be low supply high demand. I was thinking of the David Savard deadline deal in regards to compensation.


Your ENTIRE valuation of this player is based on a 5-games sample size. Ridiculous.

And Manson isn't "good in both ends" - he's decent defensively but a black hole offensively. A 3rd pairing guy in Edmonton probably, as he's 4th most used at 5v5 in Anaheim (5th all situations).
 
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