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If certain guys cant get their sh*t together tonight we should use these lines going forward. Honestly i dont really care about the W tonight. It would be nice to win and we are playing arizona so it shouldnt be too hard BUT the main thing for me is for guys to play well.
Idk if ishakov has an nhl clause in his contract but if he does its time to sign him and give him a path to the nhl in the organization.

Wahlstrom deserves a shot on the first line with barzal, hes been our best player this year.
The 2nd line would be so hard to play against. Our 2 best forecheckers are on that line and they are great in all 3 zones. This line should dominate play when on the ice.
The 3rd line is a weird mix tbh. Its geared to try and get nelson going. He gets a high motor guy in parise and a very explosive player in ishakov. Idk if that will translate to the nhl but if it does it will give brock some space and hopefully get going in the goal scoring department. I also moved him down in the lineup trying to match against a weaker line defensively but not have them play against the opponents best players, as well as take some of the pressure off.
The 4th line stays the same as theyve been solid and with the lines in a blender it would be a 'fallback' option during the game if things arent going well.

We reunite a top 3 pair in hockey, enough said.
I was considering hickey in this spot but salo had a great camp and can really be a bright spot in a position that was a big hole for us.
This pair makes sense for a lot of reasons. While aho probably wont get any PP time he can drive play offensively unlike chara/greene. Mayfield in order to succeed needs someone who can handle the puck and make the pass out of the d zone.

PP and PK are pretty straightforward. The F on the left on the PK is the C and will take faceoffs.

The PP is a 1-3-1. To make it easy to understand i put the netfront guy in the other D spot, so the 3 forwards are in the same order as irl.

*it could be aho on PP2 instead of salo bc idk if they would want salo playing PP and PK.

** both palmieri and parise could draw in on the PK.
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23 oct. 2021 à 20 h 39
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Josh Bailey got a promotion lmao

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Josh Bailey got a promotion lmao



🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ what in the actual ****?
And the worst part is now hes gonna look half decent bc hes gonna be playing with barzy.
23 oct. 2021 à 21 h 1
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Josh Bailey got a promotion lmao



But honestly what do you think of these lines and specifically the ishakov idea? The rest is pretty straightforward.
23 oct. 2021 à 21 h 8
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🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ what in the actual ****?
And the worst part is now hes gonna look half decent bc hes gonna be playing with barzy.


Bailey has dragged Barzal down in the past , but we’ll see
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But honestly what do you think of these lines and specifically the ishakov idea? The rest is pretty straightforward.


Is this for next season?
23 oct. 2021 à 21 h 16
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Is this for next season?


No this is for tommorow night
23 oct. 2021 à 21 h 18
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No this is for tommorow night


Iskhakov isn’t signed lol and he’s injured
23 oct. 2021 à 22 h 56
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Iskhakov isn’t signed lol and he’s injured


I know hes not signed i signed him. I didnt know that he was injured though that kinda doesnt work.
23 oct. 2021 à 23 h 9
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I know hes not signed i signed him. I didnt know that he was injured though that kinda doesnt work.


I’d be down to give that spot to Golyshev
23 oct. 2021 à 23 h 11
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I’d be down to give that spot to Golyshev


Yeah me too but i thought ishakov fits that role better.
24 oct. 2021 à 4 h 49
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Josh Bailey got a promotion lmao



Yeah that’s how he manage his veterans. If you have been the worst forward on the team to start the season you get a promotion. As I’ve said before; starting to lose faith in Trotz.

Tonight was the most uneventful, boring, s*** game ever.

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Barzal 15:58
Wahlstrom 13:16
Lee 14:13
Pulock 19:34
Chára 20:26

Trotz has stated several times Aho will play soon and get a few looks to see where he’s at etcetera… if Aho doesn’t even get to play against the worst team in the league on a back-to-back situation with Vegas coming up, he never will, until there’s a injury. And to play 45-year old Chára in a back-to-back over 20 minutes (most this season for him) is also crazy.

I also believe Schneider should of started this game to have Sorokin sharp for Vegas.

If Trotz doesn’t get his s*** together real soon we will not even make it to the playoffs, simple as that.
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Yeah that’s how he manage his veterans. If you have been the worst forward on the team to start the season you get a promotion. As I’ve said before; starting to lose faith in Trotz.

Tonight was the most uneventful, boring, s*** game ever.

TOI:
Barzal 15:58
Wahlstrom 13:16
Lee 14:13
Pulock 19:34
Chára 20:26

Trotz has stated several times Aho will play soon and get a few looks to see where he’s at etcetera… if Aho doesn’t even get to play against the worst team in the league on a back-to-back situation with Vegas coming up, he never will, until there’s a injury. And to play 45-year old Chára in a back-to-back over 20 minutes (most this season for him) is also crazy.

I also believe Schneider should of started this game to have Sorokin sharp for Vegas.

If Trotz doesn’t get his s*** together real soon we will not even make it to the playoffs, simple as that.


Bailey drags down the 1st line more than Komarov, Last night they were hemmed in their own zone multiple time. It’s embarassing .

I disagree with Schneider starting the guy is not even AHL caliber at this point lol. I’d start sorokin again, isles have a week off after tonight’s game and Varlamov should be good to go.

Trotz is giving a lot of ice time to bad players, it makes no sense. I’ve never liked Trotz because there’s no accountability for vets
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Bailey drags down the 1st line more than Komarov, Last night they were hemmed in their own zone multiple time. It’s embarassing .

I disagree with Schneider starting the guy is not even AHL caliber at this point lol. I’d start sorokin again, isles have a week off after tonight’s game and Varlamov should be good to go.

Trotz is giving a lot of ice time to bad players, it makes no sense. I’ve never liked Trotz because there’s no accountability for vets


I agree regarding Bailey on the 1st line. It's just so frustrating, and apparently, the whole 1st line got collectively punished for Bailey being s*** as usual, just look at the ice time. Doesn't make sense. If Barzal and Lee couldn't make Bailey look like an elite guy, they apparently didn't have a great night. The 1st line hasn't been the problem at all this year, it's just confusing.

I just thought that Arizona was the perfect game in a back-to-back situation to get Schneider one game just in case... But of course I also prefer him not to start one single game in a perfect world.

Yeah, exactly just that. - And the most infuriating and confusing thing is how much he preaches accountability haha, but apparently it just applies for the young and skilled players.
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Bailey drags down the 1st line more than Komarov, Last night they were hemmed in their own zone multiple time. It’s embarassing .

I disagree with Schneider starting the guy is not even AHL caliber at this point lol. I’d start sorokin again, isles have a week off after tonight’s game and Varlamov should be good to go.

Trotz is giving a lot of ice time to bad players, it makes no sense. I’ve never liked Trotz because there’s no accountability for vets


Btw, Golyshev and Salo continue to be really good in the AHL. I get that Lou doesn't want to lose Bellows for free on waivers, but unfortunately he hasn't - and will not - work out in this system or organization. It's time to let Bellows and Johnston get on waivers and have Golyshev and Pánik rotating as extras. Aho and Salo to, but as we know, that will not happen lol.
24 oct. 2021 à 18 h 20
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Btw, Golyshev and Salo continue to be really good in the AHL. I get that Lou doesn't want to lose Bellows for free on waivers, but unfortunately he hasn't - and will not - work out in this system or organization. It's time to let Bellows and Johnston get on waivers and have Golyshev and Pánik rotating as extras. Aho and Salo to, but as we know, that will not happen lol.


Salo and Golyshev both had 2 points today, Salo with 4 points in his last 2 games 👀

Putting bellows on waivers would be the best for both sides. He would get picked up and he needs a change of scenery anyways.

Salo is already polished defensively, he’s 23 YO and he starting to put up points. Hopefully he forces the isles to call him up. He reminds me of Devon Toews
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Bailey drags down the 1st line more than Komarov, Last night they were hemmed in their own zone multiple time. It’s embarassing .

I disagree with Schneider starting the guy is not even AHL caliber at this point lol. I’d start sorokin again, isles have a week off after tonight’s game and Varlamov should be good to go.

Trotz is giving a lot of ice time to bad players, it makes no sense. I’ve never liked Trotz because there’s no accountability for vets


Trotz got 1 thing right. Back to back baby this is who ilya sorokin is. #vezina
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Trotz got 1 thing right. Back to back baby this is who ilya sorokin is. #vezina


He was incredible. He’s one of the rare goalies (like hasek) who are extremely fun to watch.
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He was incredible. He’s one of the rare goalies (like hasek) who are extremely fun to watch.


As much as we sh*t on bailey he made a good play on the barzal goal. Also was it just me or did i see some shifts where barry switched wahly and bailey.
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As much as we sh*t on bailey he made a good play on the barzal goal. Also was it just me or did i see some shifts where barry switched wahly and bailey.


Yeah but Wahlstrom played 11:31, that’s criminal. Dobson 14:00. Chára was so bad once again, feel sorry for him actually, but at the same time it’s time to get real and get him of the team.
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Yeah but Wahlstrom played 11:31, that’s criminal. Dobson 14:00. Chára was so bad once again, feel sorry for him actually, but at the same time it’s time to get real and get him of the team.


100%. I really hate trotz, bc 1 minute he makes me think he the best coach in the league and then he does things like this.
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As much as we sh*t on bailey he made a good play on the barzal goal. Also was it just me or did i see some shifts where barry switched wahly and bailey.


That’s Bailey tho lol - he’ll make a really good play but the rest of the game he’s lazy as hell. That’s why he’s so frustrating , never gives full effort.

Trotz had Parise-Barzal-Wahlstrom for a bit - that line almost scored. They were very effective
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Yeah but Wahlstrom played 11:31, that’s criminal. Dobson 14:00. Chára was so bad once again, feel sorry for him actually, but at the same time it’s time to get real and get him of the team.


Wahlstrom led the team in XG% … it’s not a stretch to say he’s already the 2nd best defensive forward in the top 9.
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Wahlstrom led the team in XG% … it’s not a stretch to say he’s already the 2nd best defensive forward in the top 9.


Wahlstrom against Vegas:
On-ice 5v5 SVA CF% - 66.45%.
On-ice 5v5 SVA xG% - 94.59%.

… but his ice-time is reduced game by game. I don’t know what Trotz don’t like about him. He’s actually the most Trotz player you could ever be. It’s all just weird at this point. Because he’s young? What is that even.
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Wahlstrom against Vegas:
On-ice 5v5 SVA CF% - 66.45%.
On-ice 5v5 SVA xG% - 94.59%.

… but his ice-time is reduced game by game. I don’t know what Trotz don’t like about him. He’s actually the most Trotz player you could ever be. It’s all just weird at this point. Because he’s young? What is that even.


That’s exactly why - it has everything to do with his age. Trotz puts the two worst defensive forwards (Lee and Bailey) on the ice to protect a lead because they are vets. He plays the guys he respects the most, it’s a problem.

Natural stat trick has Wahlstrom on the ice for the lowest xGA (.05) among all players. You’re right he is a Trotz player - he’s physical, good defensively, wins his puck pattles, good Hockey IQ. I don’t know why Trotz didn’t keep the Parise-Barzal-Wahlstrom line together, that line dominated
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