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I feel like getting ripped apart by three fan bases

Créé par: Anus_McLeod
Date de création initiale: 21 oct. 2021
Publié: 22 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
Okay, so this is mostly for fun. I'm not necessarily suggesting this is a great trade, and I admittedly didn't think this through enough before posting. There is some logic behind it though. Here goes:

Avs fans have been trying to get Eichel to Colorado and using Girard as one of the main pieces. In response, Sabres fans have been saying they don't want LHD in return. Meanwhile, Isles fans have been saying elsewhere that they need LHD in a bad way. I figured wtf, let's put these pieces together.

Girard has high value (imo), as he has a lot of term remaining on a very affordable contract. I threw in some pieces from the Isles but would be curious what others thought here. Take this as a starting point, as this one was tough for me and I struggled with the value.

Buffalo ends up getting very close to their four firsts asking price, with Newhook being the main prize. They also get RDH instead of LHD. Helleson is no Girard and may not have the value of a first, but he seems like a guy that could complement one of their top LHD in the near future and fill a valuable spot in their lineup.

End result of the three-way is this:

Colorado:
Out - Girard, Newhook, Helleson, Olausson
In - Eichel, Bolduc, Raty

NY
Out - Bolduc, Raty, Komarov, 1st
In - Girard

Buffalo
Out - Eichel
In - Newhook, Olausson, Helleson, 1st, Komarov

Personally, I don't see Girard getting moved any time soon, so this is probably all moot. Not sure Lou is ready to go big game hunting either, so that's two strikes. I gave it a go though and it was kinda fun.
Transactions
1.
COL
  1. Bolduc, Samuel
  2. Räty, Aatu
  3. Komarov, Leo
  4. 2022 1e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Girard, Samuel
2.
COL
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Newhook, Alex
  2. Olausson, Oskar
  3. Helleson, Drew [Liste de réserve]
  4. Komarov, Leo
  5. 2022 1e round pick (NYI)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2024
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $75 019 797 $1 741 463 $3 007 500 $6 480 203 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Burakovsky, André
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Ranta, Sampo
925 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
COL
Jost, Tyson
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
COL
Compher, J.T.
3 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
COL
Maltsev, Mikhail
809 167 $
AG
RFA - 1
COL
Helm, Darren
1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
O'Connor, Logan
725 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
COL
Toews, Devon
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
COL
Kuemper, Darcy
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Byram, Bowen
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
COL
Johnson, Erik
6 000 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Francouz, Pavel
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Murray, Ryan
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
COL
Johnson, Jack
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
COL
MacDermid, Kurtis
875 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
COL
Matteau, Stefan
750 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
COL
Megna, Jayson
750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
Équipe de réserve
COL
Foudy, Jean-Luc
878 333 $ (0 $)
C
RFA - 3
NYI
Räty, Aatu
859 167 $ (0 $)
C
RFA - 3
COL
Bowers, Shane
925 000 $ (0 $)
C
RFA - 1
COL
Kaut, Martin
863 333 $ (0 $)
AD
RFA - 2
COL
Barron, Justin
925 000 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 3
NYI
Bolduc, Samuel
842 500 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA - 2
COL
Behrens, Sean
925 000 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA

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22 oct. à 9 h 11
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Raty aint leaving LI anytime soon
22 oct. à 9 h 11
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I like the creativity though! Good job.
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22 oct. à 9 h 13
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Unfortunately Trotz hates smaller defenseman
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22 oct. à 9 h 15
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Quoting: islandersfan14
Raty aint leaving LI anytime soon


This is a no brainer. Raty probably tops out as a solid 2C, Girard is a top pair D on a good contract
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22 oct. à 9 h 28
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The trade is fine, i just want to know why everyone is compelled to add d prospects when its clear the Sabres dont want or need them
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22 oct. à 9 h 28
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Quoting: islandersfan14
Raty aint leaving LI anytime soon


Obviously I like him too, but his draft position indicates we may value him higher than league FOs. I basically assigned a second round pick to his value, as I don't think anything has happened since the draft to really move the needle.
22 oct. à 9 h 32
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The trade is fine, i just want to know why everyone is compelled to add d prospects when its clear the Sabres dont want or need them


I'd be fine swapping Helleson for the 2023 2nd. I didn't think Buffalo really had much for RHD in their pipe.
22 oct. à 10 h 3
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i’d do this instantly if i’m the islanders
22 oct. à 10 h 40
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let er rip
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22 oct. à 10 h 42
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I don't think it's panic time in COL (1-3 start) but they did nothing to replace Saad, Donskoi, Graves, all important pieces. With Nichushkin injuired the bottom six of (Ranta, Maltsev, Helm, Jost, O'Connor, Megna, Matteau, Kaut, and Sikura). That's not good and with Makar a -8 in his last two games, Towes is out, I don't think moving Girard would be a wise move. Who knows how long Eichel is out for.
Colorado needs better depth
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22 oct. à 10 h 48
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
I don't think it's panic time in COL (1-3 start) but they did nothing to replace Saad, Donskoi, Graves, all important pieces. With Nichushkin injuired the bottom six of (Ranta, Maltsev, Helm, Jost, O'Connor, Megna, Matteau, Kaut, and Sikura). That's not good and with Makar a -8 in his last two games, Towes is out, I don't think moving Girard would be a wise move. Who knows how long Eichel is out for.
Colorado needs better depth


Game 1: MacKinnon Toews out
Game 2: MacKinnon Toews Landeskog Nichushkin out
Game 3: Toews Landeskog Toews Nichushkin out
Game 4: Toews Nichushkin out

Important guys have been in and out of the line up the first 4 games. You are correct there is no time for panic, and the depth needs to be improved but that will happen naturally once they get guys healthy

Outside of the Washington game, they have played well to start the season, getting some bad luck, puck and injury
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22 oct. à 10 h 51
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Gave 2: MacKinnon Toews out
Game 2: MacKinnon Toews Landeskog Nichushkin out
Game 3: Toews Landeskog Toews Nichushkin out
Game 4: Toews Nichushkin out

Important guys have been in and out of the line up the first 4 games. You are correct there is no time for panic, and the depth needs to be improved but that will happen naturally once they get guys healthy

Outside of the Washington game, they have played well to start the season, getting some bad luck, puck and injury


Yup, wasn't ripping the trade, values both sides looked fine, IMO Girard from this Dcore would not be a wise move. Agreed as the season plays out this won't be the same lineup that goes into the playoffs.
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22 oct. à 10 h 54
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Yup, wasn't ripping the trade, values both sides looked fine, IMO Girard from this Dcore would not be a wise move. Agreed as the season plays out this won't be the same lineup that goes into the playoffs.


Agree that moving Girard now is a very tough pill. Passing on Eichel is too though, so it's at least worth thinking a out.

I would say that if the Avs made this move, they would need to look for another dman. Who that is, idk though. I didn't get that far.
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22 oct. à 11 h 2
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Yup, wasn't ripping the trade, values both sides looked fine, IMO Girard from this Dcore would not be a wise move. Agreed as the season plays out this won't be the same lineup that goes into the playoffs.


newhook wont be in the AHL all year, they will add a guy via trade at the deadline. Start bulking up when they need to. This team is too talented to have any panic in them. I can see this very much a team who is in the middle of the pack until after the Olympics and then just turns it on getting ready for the playoffs
22 oct. à 11 h 5
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Quoting: coga16
newhook wont be in the AHL all year, they will add a guy via trade at the deadline. Start bulking up when they need to. This team is too talented to have any panic in them. I can see this very much a team who is in the middle of the pack until after the Olympics and then just turns it on getting ready for the playoffs


Agreed, with the management team and the leaders in the room, panic about a slow start (I mean it's only 4 games in) is not happening. But the bottom six defiantly needs to be addressed (which most likely will) before the playoffs.
22 oct. à 11 h 9
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Agreed, with the management team and the leaders in the room, panic about a slow start (I mean it's only 4 games in) is not happening. But the bottom six defiantly needs to be addressed (which most likely will) before the playoffs.


Maltsev and Kaut fill a need, they are pretty good. What they need is a 2LW to push down the depth, especially once newhook is back up to be 3C and Jost moves down to 4C

Nuke Newhook Compher/Kaut
Helm Jost LOC/Maltsev

That starts to look a big more respectable for a bottom 6. I take a shot at ABB on waivers as a filler for that spot. Why not. He wont make it to the Avs via waivers but if htey pull a rabbit out of the hat, him in the middle 6 as a W helps that depth
22 oct. à 11 h 17
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Quoting: coga16
Maltsev and Kaut fill a need, they are pretty good. What they need is a 2LW to push down the depth, especially once newhook is back up to be 3C and Jost moves down to 4C

Nuke Newhook Compher/Kaut
Helm Jost LOC/Maltsev

That starts to look a big more respectable for a bottom 6. I take a shot at ABB on waivers as a filler for that spot. Why not. He wont make it to the Avs via waivers but if htey pull a rabbit out of the hat, him in the middle 6 as a W helps that depth


Feel like Kaut has been around forever. I don't watch COL that often but be nice to see Martin given a look on the 3rd line
22 oct. à 11 h 44
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Feel like Kaut has been around forever. I don't watch COL that often but be nice to see Martin given a look on the 3rd line


Hes only 22, he has been around forever bc he joined the AHL at 18 and had his ELC slide twice. That is why. They had the ability to take their time on him and make it a 5 year ELC
22 oct. à 16 h 55
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Love the title. Lol
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