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19 oct. 2021 à 19 h 48
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Stop trying to fix the team, the problem is Bergevin offseason. He let go Joel Bouchard to keep world worse coaching staff (excluding Richardson). Ducharme is GARBAGE, we didn’t went too the finale because of him. Bergevin shouldn’t have resign guys like Gallagher (even if he extended a year prior), Armia, Free agent Savard lmao Hoffman.

We needed too tank this year and next and play some younger guys like Poehling Ylonen maybe RHP

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19 oct. 2021 à 19 h 53
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It’s ducharms fault gally sucks, caufield has stone hands all of a sudden, Suzuki is horse ****, Toffoli decided to forget how to play hockey and that savard and chiarot suck ass

People think Bouchard is good because of an mediocre ahl team he ran. Apparently they look great this year

The dude is a **** apparently

Armia has actually been solid

Let’s keep blaming all the wrong things

Hoffman’s been here 30 seconds and he’s supposed to help the pp which is horse ****. Can you blame Bergervin for that
19 oct. 2021 à 19 h 57
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Gallagher's extension is a bit too long and a bit too much. Maybe 5.5x5 would've been better. but signing him was not a mistake
the only good players on this team right now are Drouin Dvorak Anderson Kulak
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19 oct. 2021 à 20 h 4
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3 shots...you cannot score goals when you only shoot 3 times in a 20 minute period....
19 oct. 2021 à 20 h 22
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I’m pretty sure the Habs are already trying to tank this season. Look at the first 3 games, they aren’t shooting much. And now look at the game right now against the sharks of all teams. Not going very well right now. And then Thursday will be really fun to watch, seeing the Habs getting blown back by the canes.
19 oct. 2021 à 21 h 51
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Quoting: athrin
3 shots...you cannot score goals when you only shoot 3 times in a 20 minute period....


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I’m pretty sure the Habs are already trying to tank this season. Look at the first 3 games, they aren’t shooting much. And now look at the game right now against the sharks of all teams. Not going very well right now. And then Thursday will be really fun to watch, seeing the Habs getting blown back by the canes.


MTL aren’t shooting because we have the worse defense in the league. They can’t make a pass to get out of the zone, and the forecheck system of Ducharme is so bad. We need more forechecker like Lehkonen Gallagher & Evans
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19 oct. 2021 à 21 h 53
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Gallagher's extension is a bit too long and a bit too much. Maybe 5.5x5 would've been better. but signing him was not a mistake
the only good players on this team right now are Drouin Dvorak Anderson Kulak


Gallagher isn’t bad, is contract won’t age well and we all knew we would suck after the 2020-2021 season. Bergevin should have done nothing and tank this year
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20 oct. 2021 à 14 h 40
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Even teams with bad coaches score some goals. Im not saying Ducharme is a stud coach or anything but he's not the only problem. Lots of problems here that singling out Ducharme is not fair. MB has a bigger portion of the blame than the players or coach IMHO. Ever since the Habs were eliminated in the finals, its been bad move after bad move after bad move.

- Drafted a player in Logan Mailloux during QUITE LITERALLY THE WORST TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY TO HAVE DRAFTED A PLAYER LIKE THIS. He says "he was the best player available on their list", so your saying every other player drafted behind him by other teams was dog sh*t??

- Signing Hoffman and resigning Armia, two wingers, when the team was already stacked on the wings already. It made zero sense. This position didn't need upgrading! we literally needed centers and dmen!! Savard was a solid pickup but only if you have him behind Weber and Petry. You still need to try and replace Weber!

- Weber's never playing again so why is he still the captain???? Why didn't the team go out and sign true veteran leadership to replace the guy who you knew was probably never going to play again? Hoffman and Savard are not leaders. They lost Perry and Staal also and replaced them with Paquette and Perreault...... "You can't replace those guys" I agree MB so then you take a step back this year because those guys are irreplaceable. You don't double down with bad free agent pickups.

One and on and on....

Now its time for Molson to mettre sa culotte and let Bergevin go asap if you he's not going to resign him and replace him with a progressive thinking hockey GM who has some semblance of foresight.
20 oct. 2021 à 16 h 36
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Even teams with bad coaches score some goals. Im not saying Ducharme is a stud coach or anything but he's not the only problem. Lots of problems here that singling out Ducharme is not fair. MB has a bigger portion of the blame than the players or coach IMHO. Ever since the Habs were eliminated in the finals, its been bad move after bad move after bad move.

- Drafted a player in Logan Mailloux during QUITE LITERALLY THE WORST TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY TO HAVE DRAFTED A PLAYER LIKE THIS. He says "he was the best player available on their list", so your saying every other player drafted behind him by other teams was dog sh*t??

- Signing Hoffman and resigning Armia, two wingers, when the team was already stacked on the wings already. It made zero sense. This position didn't need upgrading! we literally needed centers and dmen!! Savard was a solid pickup but only if you have him behind Weber and Petry. You still need to try and replace Weber!

- Weber's never playing again so why is he still the captain???? Why didn't the team go out and sign true veteran leadership to replace the guy who you knew was probably never going to play again? Hoffman and Savard are not leaders. They lost Perry and Staal also and replaced them with Paquette and Perreault...... "You can't replace those guys" I agree MB so then you take a step back this year because those guys are irreplaceable. You don't double down with bad free agent pickups.

One and on and on....

Now its time for Molson to mettre sa culotte and let Bergevin go asap if you he's not going to resign him and replace him with a progressive thinking hockey GM who has some semblance of foresight.


100% agree, I mentioned Bergevin only did bad moves since we lost in the SCF. But Ducharme system is atrocious, the PP as well. Hoffman Armia are not bad, but like you said we were stacked enough. Caudield Toffoli Anderson Gallagher are all RW and Ylönen showed great things in Laval, so why keeping Armia ? If you don’t wanna fill the center position, then keep Lehkonen-Evans-Gallagher as a checking line but don’t expect us too make the playoffs with this defense… anyway Bergevin ****ed up big time, Ducharme and Burrows are signed for 3 years and we ****ing lost Joel Bouchard too keep Ducharme. I am so pissed because I have a huge passion for hockey and MB just ****ed up the couple next years
27 oct. 2021 à 11 h 33
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100% agree, I mentioned Bergevin only did bad moves since we lost in the SCF. But Ducharme system is atrocious, the PP as well. Hoffman Armia are not bad, but like you said we were stacked enough. Caudield Toffoli Anderson Gallagher are all RW and Ylönen showed great things in Laval, so why keeping Armia ? If you don’t wanna fill the center position, then keep Lehkonen-Evans-Gallagher as a checking line but don’t expect us too make the playoffs with this defense… anyway Bergevin ****ed up big time, Ducharme and Burrows are signed for 3 years and we ****ing lost Joel Bouchard too keep Ducharme. I am so pissed because I have a huge passion for hockey and MB just ****ed up the couple next years


I don't know that Ducharme is the issue. The systems and strategies have been pretty stagnant and atrocious for several years. The only common denominator throughout that time is Bergevin. Whether it be through his personnel decisions, or because he is controlling those elements from beyond the bench, there's no excuse for a team to have the same issues year after year and that responsibility falls upon the GM. Ducharme appears to be following the same blueprint and is a victim of poor roster construction at a time when a number of key players are having issues. It's difficult to judge him based on what has been a difficult tenure so far, between covid complications from last season and Weber and Price being unavailable to him (among others). Our system requires strong defense and goaltending with forward support, and we have none of those elements right now.
Which begs the question, why are we playing in a manner our roster is not suited to succeed with?
Either the strategy needs to change to suit the roster, or the roster needs to change to suit the strategy.
Does Ducharme have the freedom to change the strategy however? Is he a "puppet" coach with Bergevin dictating the gameplan, or is he simply that kind of coach who Bergevin hired for that reason?
Either way, it's Bergevin pulling the strings that are creating these results.

The answer is not in the dressing room. The answer is in the war room with the management. The players are doing what they are being told to do, to the best of their ability. You can see them putting the effort in. In particular last game, you can also see they are getting more desperate. That desperation leads to mistakes. They want to provide offense, but it isn't coming naturally, so they are cheating and throwing pucks wildly in an attempt to get something through. The problem is that the offense SHOULD be coming naturally. We have the offensive talent. They aren't getting those opportunities naturally however, and have to go above and beyond to create chances. That's because the system is not working to give them those chances otherwise.

The book is also out on how to play us. Forecheck hard, cut off the boards, and pinch. Last year we had Petry and Weber who demanded attention and Edmundsson and Chiarot were at least capable with that support. This year, Petry is without a quality partner and Savard is not like Weber who can carry a lesser partner. Nobody else is a threat to move the puck effectively out of the zone, or pose a danger in the offensive zone. All you have to do is focus on Petry. Sure, every now and then Chiarot, Romanov, or Niku will pose a threat, but playing the odds and leaving them open is hardly a danger. They're also easy prey in the defensive zone as they aren't capable of good plays under pressure. Against our power play, the lanes are hilariously easy to cover due to little player movement, and being aggressive in attacking those positions prevents good setups. Of the entire ice surface, 90% of the puck on our sticks is within 5 feet of the boards. If you take the boards away, our defense will just turn over the puck or send it into the neutral zone.

Caufield needs someone to draw attention on his line. Last year he wasn't considered the primary threat. Now that he is, he needs someone that takes the extra attention away from him. That's Anderson or Gallagher. Nobody else requires a defense to split their coverage like those two can. With Petry being the only legitimate threat from the blue line, we also need someone else that prevents teams from cheating on their coverage.
With Caufield - Suzuki - Gallagher and Drouin - Dvorak - Anderson and Toffoli - Evans - Armia, we had enough personnel that Hoffman wasn't necessary.
Then we still have Lehkonen - Perrault - Byron and Paquette, Poehling, Ylonen, etc. You can swap some players between lines as needed and add more depth as required, but what we really needed was better options on defense. You can't replace Weber, so don't even try. Find somebody who fits in with what you have, not someone that covers maybe 50% of what you lost.
You could even make an argument for replacing Lehkonen or Armia with Hoffman still, once the defense is taken care of.

That might help with the roster issues, but it still doesn't address the systematic issues in our play. It simply reduces the (very valid) excuse of not having a good enough defense lineup.

Then there are the other issues which fall under Bergevin's umbrella. Drafting and development of prospects chiefly among them. Another issue which has persisted throughout his tenure.
Only 1 of his 1st round picks (Caufield) is playing for us at the NHL level. He traded Sergachev. He lost Kotkaniemi. That's inexcusable for someone who's philosophy was that you "build through the draft".
I'm not going to hold him solely responsible for the whole Francophone requirement, but at the very least he could have avoided recycling coaches (then there's the whole Therien foxhole problem where he kept him for too long) and therefore recycling strategies and how players, especially younger ones, were brought to the team and sidelined in favor of veterans instead of developing properly.

Long story short, we have many issues to address and none of them are really "new". He's had the better part of a decade and those same issues persist.
It's time for him to take responsibility and either step away or be removed, and for someone more progressive to take the reins and bring the whole organization up to date.
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