Continuing the rebuild

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Créé par: justaBoss

Équipe: 2021-22 Sharks de San Jose

Date de création initiale: 18 oct. 2021

Publié: 18 oct. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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SJS

Jones, Zachary
Pajuniemi, Lauri
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

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2021-22 Trade deadline deal

NYR

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Taking example of the Duchene to CBJ trade, but that had a conditional 1st round pick in regards to him re-signing in CBJ, which is banned now in the current CBA, so I'm replacing that with an unconditional 2nd rounder. And before Sharks fans come tell me that Hertl's miles better than Duchene, he was in 95 point pace in freaking Ottawa the year he was traded, which is something Hertl has yet and probably never will achieve, so I see enough resemblance in their current situation to use Duchene as a fair comparison.

SJS

Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NSH)

Détails additionnels:

2021-22 Trade deadline deal

NSH

Barabanov, Alexander

Rachats de contrats

Martin Jones: 1 916 667 $
Evander Kane: 1 833 333 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	60 902 500 $	0 $	295 000 $	20 597 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Dahlén, Jonathan 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Couture, Logan 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 6	Meier, Timo 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Eklund, William 925 000 $925 000 $ AG RFA - 5	Weatherby, Jasper 842 500 $842 500 $ (82 500 $$82K) C UFA - 2	Balcers, Rūdolfs 1 550 000 $1 550 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Nieto, Matt 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Bonino, Nick 1 025 000 $1 025 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Labanc, Kevin 4 725 000 $4 725 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Cogliano, Andrew 500 000 $500 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Gambrell, Dylan 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ C UFA - 1	Pederson, Lane 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Ferraro, Mario 925 000 $925 000 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG UFA - 1	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Reimer, James 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Jones, Zachary 925 000 $925 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6	Hill, Adin 2 175 000 $2 175 000 $ G UFA - 2
Simek, Radim 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Vlasic, Marc-Édouard 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 5

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Knyzhov, Nikolai 796 667 $796 667 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Gadjovich, Jonah 783 333 $783 333 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Gregor, Noah 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1

18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 19

NHLfan10506

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Not enough for Nick Merkley

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 24

NHLfan10506

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(But good trade for Hertl)

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 27

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I think it's way too much for Hertl by a the Rangers who were a non playoff team last season. Ottawa made the ill conceived Duchene acquisition after that gone to game 7 of the Conference final, so they were kinda in a win mode.

18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 34

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Quoting: palhal

It's the CBJ trade I'm referring here. OTT was already starting their rebuild by that point. They got two decent prospect and two conditional firsts from CBJ. And CBJ wasn't in win now mode other than trying to maximize the rest of the time Panarin and Bobrovsky had left in that team.

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 39

palhal

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Quoting: justaBoss

Thanks for the correction. Heck maybe you showed by the ill conceived Duchene trade by CBJ...maybe the Rangers shouldn't do acquire a rental either. Admitting Duchene helped CBJ win a playoff round and Duchene did have a good playoff.

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 39

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Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 41

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

That’s literally the deal that most sharks fans have asked for.

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 46

justaBoss

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

Makes sense

18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 47

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

Chytil is the main piece we would want from NYR. Sorry to say but there are a TON of crap deals from people who haven't even read a Hertl stat in 3 years. Sorry to also say I see NJ fans declining fair trades for your prospects every day. It goes both ways my friend.

If you look at SJ's depth chart at LD you will notice it's plain to see another LD is not even remotely needed. Making blind trades without focusing on team needs is poor asset management. Try harder please.

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18 oct. 2021 à 23 h 52

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Only thing, as a sharks fan, I would want different in the trade would be RD or C rather than Jones. I get Chytil might not be involved without an extension in place, but I would prefer him or Schneider.

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19 oct. 2021 à 0 h 7

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Quoting: crankshaft

What "fair" trade have Devils fans declined?

19 oct. 2021 à 0 h 14

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Quoting: Klara

That’s literally the deal that most sharks fans have asked for.

Not from what I've seen

I've mostly seen "A tier prospect + 1st for Hertl or no deal" which doesn't make much sense since no rental in recent years has gotten that type of return

19 oct. 2021 à 0 h 20

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Quoting: Devil1122

Not from what I've seen

I've mostly seen "A tier prospect + 1st for Hertl or no deal" which doesn't make much sense since no rental in recent years has gotten that type of return

Going back for months when ranger fans were obsessed with Hertl, the common understanding was literally the trade you posted. What SJ won't do is trade for a bunch of assets that don't fit the organization's needs at all, just because they are "fair value".

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19 oct. 2021 à 0 h 37

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Quoting: crankshaft

I'd argue that if there's anything you guys need it's a quality LHD. They have one top4-LD and that's Ferraro - rest of them are all more or less 3rd pair D-men if that, but get to play in a better role because SJ simply has no better replacement.

Is Jones the answer you're looking for though is another question, but I'd say Jones would top your LHD prospect chart immediately.

19 oct. 2021 à 0 h 53

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Yeah that Hertl trade seems quite good

I like Merkley replacing blackwell for them

If anything too much given how good Pajuniemi is

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19 oct. 2021 à 1 h 12

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Quoting: justaBoss

Knyzhov played extremely well in his rookie year, he's solidly the 2LD. Behind him theres Vlasic, Middleton, and Kniazev. Sharks already are having to move D over to their off side. More LD is the last thing SJ needs right now. Meanwhile, without Hertl, SJ's proven NHL centers are Couture and Bonino, with Bordeleau being the only notable center prospect in the system. That's an area of much greater need, hence Chytil.

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19 oct. 2021 à 1 h 48

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Quoting: justaBoss

The Sharks need RD prospects. We have good LD prospects like Kniazev, who will make the team next year, and Hatakka who should be playing now. The only RD we have is Merkley. We are stuck with the vets so there’s not any room for more LD whether they are good or not. And, in case you weren’t aware, even if they are 3rd pairing D men, a hockey team still needs 3rd pair D men so we are good off LD.

19 oct. 2021 à 2 h 33

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

That is so much better than whats offered here. Not sure how you compare it.

Sharks fans have over and over said Chytil, 2022 first and a good prospect is what we want.

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19 oct. 2021 à 5 h 2

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Quoting: Klara

SJ's strength is LDs is in the numbers but not necessarily in the quality it seems. Knyzhov had a decent rookie year but can he keep that up and keep developing.

Quoting: glarson17

I'm well aware of a team needing 3rd pair D-men. What I'm more curious about is the fact you have 4 of them.

Quoting: papishark

That is so much better than whats offered here. Not sure how you compare it.

Sharks fans have over and over said Chytil, 2022 first and a good prospect is what we want.

The only difference between these offers are that Chytil is replaced by Pajuniemi+2nd. And Pajuniemi is pretty good. Sure, it's lacking the center but I'm just speaking about value here.

19 oct. 2021 à 5 h 46

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Quoting: Klara

Yeah I'm a huge fan of knyzhov

Jones having top pair potential helps tho

Would make a nice complement to Ryan Merkley 😎

19 oct. 2021 à 8 h 28

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Rangers accept.

19 oct. 2021 à 13 h 24

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Quoting: justaBoss

SJ's strength is LDs is in the numbers but not necessarily in the quality it seems. Knyzhov had a decent rookie year but can he keep that up and keep developing.

I'm well aware of a team needing 3rd pair D-men. What I'm more curious about is the fact you have 4 of them.

The only difference between these offers are that Chytil is replaced by Pajuniemi+2nd. And Pajuniemi is pretty good. Sure, it's lacking the center but I'm just speaking about value here.

I just dont see it. I know he scored well in the Liga but hes not on the same tier as someone like Chytil and a center is what we really need.

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