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Goalies oilers should target this deadline

Créé par: Deaner37
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 18 oct. 2021
Publié: 18 oct. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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These are the possibilities in net that the oilers could trade for, question is, what would they cost the oilers to give up in futures? Let me know in the comments, me being an oilers fan, I want Gibson from Anaheim, but I feel like he will be ridiculously expensive.
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3081 500 000 $107 280 301 $669 339 $907 500 $-25 780 301 $
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $
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2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
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3 600 000 $3 600 000 $
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18 oct. 2021 à 12 h 42
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Saros would also be ridiculously expensive.
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18 oct. 2021 à 12 h 44
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Greiss for 22 1st
18 oct. 2021 à 12 h 45
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Even with Askarov, I'm pretty certain that Saros is still in Nashvilles plan.
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18 oct. 2021 à 12 h 46
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Saros is going nowhere.

Gibson…maybe…but Ducks would have to be overwhelmed.

Not sure any of the rest are significant upgrades.
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18 oct. 2021 à 12 h 47
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Greiss is probably the most realistic option available. Maybe Khudobin depending on where Dallas is in the standings and whether Bishop can play at some point (I have no idea what's going on with him, last I heard in September he was expecting to be able to play this season but he's still on LTIR).
18 oct. 2021 à 12 h 53
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Thomas Greiss @ $1,800,000 for Edmonton's 2023 3rd round pick, And we've a deal.
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18 oct. 2021 à 13 h 6
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Did this in point form to make it easier...
-I can't see Pittsburgh moving Jarry without having upgraded already.
-The ask for Gibby would be overwhelming.
-Same deal with Saros.
-Greiss and Doby will likely be available at the deadline if/when the Wings/Stars fall out of the race.
-Last I read, Korpisalo was hoping to extend in Columbus, but I could see them biting on a deal. Buyer beware with both he and Georgiev though-Both of them have league average or below numbers. Korpisalo's 19/20 playoffs, especially vs. the Leafs, turned him into a much more recognizable name, but his numbers aren't great.
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18 oct. 2021 à 13 h 26
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Yamo, 2022 first, Broburg for Saros
18 oct. 2021 à 13 h 26
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Greiss is the most realistic.
18 oct. 2021 à 13 h 41
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Why is it ok to look the other way at the fact Gibson has posted three straight below average seasons actually showing a consistent trend of decline but is signed to a boat load of term and higher cap hit but we can’t seem to dismiss kosk one bad season? Is it possible he’s actually a good goalie who was dealt an impossible task last year?
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18 oct. 2021 à 13 h 54
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Of those choices, for short term, Griess and Khudobin are the most realistic. Georgiev would be expensive, as would Gibson and Saros (I'm not sure why anyone would think that Gibson or Saros are available at the moment). I don't think Jarry is available, especially since he's started the year pretty strong (and PIT has cup designs too).

I wonder how EDM is going to fit a top goalie under the cap.
18 oct. 2021 à 14 h 15
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Gibson, Korpisalo and Georgiev would be relegated to the AHL if traded for as they aren't as good as Smith or Koskinen, so those aren't options at all.

Saros and Jarry aren't available.

So that leaves just Khudobin and Greiss. Meh.

Remind me why you're even looking at goaltending? The Oilers duo combined for a .9123 save percentage - only 3 teams did better than that. If anything you should be looking to sort out the defense.
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18 oct. 2021 à 14 h 29
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Greiss is going to 36 at the TDL I'm not entirely sure he will have much left for the playoffs.
18 oct. 2021 à 14 h 31
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Gibson, Korpisalo and Georgiev would be relegated to the AHL if traded for as they aren't as good as Smith or Koskinen, so those aren't options at all.

Saros and Jarry aren't available.

So that leaves just Khudobin and Greiss. Meh.

Remind me why you're even looking at goaltending? The Oilers duo combined for a .9123 save percentage - only 3 teams did better than that. If anything you should be looking to sort out the defense.


Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev all have one thing on Smith…. Age. Smith is 39. He’s also the only reason that tandem had a .9123 sv% last season. He put up a Vezina quality season but he’s 39. He’s gonna retire shortly and the floor could fall out on him at anytime. Goalies very rarely put up that kind of quality goaltending at his age.

Don’t get me wrong they should also be looking at defense but they’ve got the prospects that should fix that long term coming up. I just don’t see a Goalie in their prospects that can a NHL starter in 2 seasons
18 oct. 2021 à 14 h 33
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So that leaves just Khudobin and Greiss. Meh.


I felt the same way when the Wings signed him. I have been pleasantly surprised with his play but I'm not sure he's an up grade from Koskinen.
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18 oct. 2021 à 14 h 39
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Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev all have one thing on Smith…. Age. Smith is 39. He’s also the only reason that tandem had a .9123 sv% last season. He put up a Vezina quality season but he’s 39. He’s gonna retire shortly and the floor could fall out on him at anytime. Goalies very rarely put up that kind of quality goaltending at his age.

Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev aren't good goalies though, so their age is irrelevant. If age is the primary factor then the Oilers are set as they can just move their prospects up: Konovalov (23), Skinner (22) and Rodrigue (21) are all younger than the guys you mentioned.

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Don’t get me wrong they should also be looking at defense but they’ve got the prospects that should fix that long term coming up. I just don’t see a Goalie in their prospects that can a NHL starter in 2 seasons

Both Skinner and Konovalov are quality prospects, and Rodrigue has upside too. Smith is .953 so far this after putting up a fantastic season last year. There's no reason at all to be making trades at this point, so Holland won't be.
21 oct. 2021 à 9 h 31
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Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev aren't good goalies though, so their age is irrelevant. If age is the primary factor then the Oilers are set as they can just move their prospects up: Konovalov (23), Skinner (22) and Rodrigue (21) are all younger than the guys you mentioned.


Both Skinner and Konovalov are quality prospects, and Rodrigue has upside too. Smith is .953 so far this after putting up a fantastic season last year. There's no reason at all to be making trades at this point, so Holland won't be.


Well one bad game and Smith is down to 0.920. It’s way too early in the season to be heralding sv%. One of those “not good” goalies (Gibson) is sitting at 0.961 sv% after 2 games. Another (Korpisalo) is sitting at 0.953 sv% after 1 game. Outside of last season, Gibson has had a better sv% than Smith in every season from 2016 to now. Smith also has a history of Lower body injuries.

33 goalies have played 95 games since start 2018-19 season.

Sv% ranking
Gibson is 18th - 0.910
Koskinen is 19th - 0.909
Smith is 24th - 0.907
Korpisalo is 30th - 0.902

Georgiev didn’t play enough in that timeframe but his career sv% is 0.911. Which would put him right there with Gibson and Koskinen.

Both Georgiev and Gibson are younger and thus more likely to last a couple of years to bridge the gap till your prospects are ready and then you don’t have to follow the great tradition of trial by fire. I guess we will see at the end of the season, but it’s just my opinion that setting your hopes of getting the cup on a 39 year old goalie with a history of injuries and has provided below average goaltending over the past 3 seasons (and that’s even including a near career best season) is not a smart idea while you have several great player in prime years.
21 oct. 2021 à 12 h 8
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Well one bad game and Smith is down to 0.920. It’s way too early in the season to be heralding sv%. One of those “not good” goalies (Gibson) is sitting at 0.961 sv% after 2 games. Another (Korpisalo) is sitting at 0.953 sv% after 1 game. Outside of last season, Gibson has had a better sv% than Smith in every season from 2016 to now. Smith also has a history of Lower body injuries.

33 goalies have played 95 games since start 2018-19 season.

Sv% ranking
Gibson is 18th - 0.910
Koskinen is 19th - 0.909
Smith is 24th - 0.907
Korpisalo is 30th - 0.902

Georgiev didn’t play enough in that timeframe but his career sv% is 0.911. Which would put him right there with Gibson and Koskinen.

Both Georgiev and Gibson are younger and thus more likely to last a couple of years to bridge the gap till your prospects are ready and then you don’t have to follow the great tradition of trial by fire. I guess we will see at the end of the season, but it’s just my opinion that setting your hopes of getting the cup on a 39 year old goalie with a history of injuries and has provided below average goaltending over the past 3 seasons (and that’s even including a near career best season) is not a smart idea while you have several great player in prime years.


So you're down to 2 or 3 goalies and you're using 3 years data with no context to argue that they're an upgrade. What about their trends? Lets take a look:

Gibson
17-18: .926
18-19: .917
19-20: .904
20-21: .903

Georgiev
17-18: .918
18-19: .914
19-20: .910
20-21: .905

Korpisalo
17-18: .897
18-19: .897
19-20: .911
20-21: .894

Really poor recent history for all 3 goalies - so much so that if you isolate the past 2 seasons (plus the handful of games so far this year) instead of the past 3 as you did, you come up with vastly different results:

Smith: .912
Koskinen: .911
Georgiev: .907
Gibson: .905
Korpisalo: .904

Yeah, there's nothing to see here. Move along, folks.
 
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