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unlikley TDL if IF pens arent in the playoff picture desc

Créé par: odyssey
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 17 oct. 2021
Publié: 17 oct. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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if. i said IF the penguins aren't in the playoff picture by the trade deadline, does it make any sense that they would trade Malkin? i mean, if they aren't in the playoff picture, they would want to get a higher pick if they traded him (in this roster i have him being traded to the leafs and then singing with the pens again in free agency)

please just take this with a grain of salt
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Malkin, Evgeni
12 375 000 $
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TOR
    Malkin to wings 50% retained

    again before anyone yells at me for even thinking of this. this is a mock trade for if (in the very un likely scenario) the pens are flat out, out of the playoff picture

    Malkin also resigns with the pens in the off season
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    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
    Détails additionnels:
    leafs add another top 3 round pick if Malkin doesn't sign with pens in off season
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      Malkin Double retained
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      1. Abramov, Mikhail
      Détails additionnels:
      forgot to throw in prospects to the malkin trade

      was all of this too much? not enough? the guy is 35
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      17 oct. 2021 à 23 h 51
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      Resign conditions are no longer allowed
      17 oct. 2021 à 23 h 51
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      If Pitt is out of it they'd be crazy not to make the trade...
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      17 oct. 2021 à 23 h 57
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      Resign conditions are no longer allowed


      i did not know this. thank you for that information
      18 oct. 2021 à 0 h 12
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      Modifié 18 oct. 2021 à 0 h 18
      Quoting: Riley816
      If Pitt is out of it they'd be crazy not to make the trade...


      A late 1st and a late 2nd would be Geno’s Return as a(healthy) rental.

      Taking Keefoot or whoever would just be the leafs moving contracts back. It’s arbitrary; whichever player is put in that spot would just be in order to make the money work for the Leafs(any player without a term more than 2 seasons).

      It would be horrible to just get rental returns for Geno or Letang though. If Geno or Letang get traded, it would be in the offseason, and a sign and trade. And they’d get more than a late 1st, late 2nd and Keefoot in that situation.

      Although, most likely, both Geno/Letang get resigned.
      18 oct. 2021 à 0 h 34
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      Quoting: LetsGoPens69
      A late 1st and a late 2nd would be Geno’s Return as a(healthy) rental.

      Taking Keefoot or whoever would just be the leafs moving contracts back. It’s arbitrary; whichever player is put in that spot would just be in order to make the money work for the Leafs(any player without a term more than 2 seasons).

      It would be horrible to just get rental returns for Geno or Letang though. If Geno or Letang get traded, it would be in the offseason, and a sign and trade. And they’d get more than a late 1st, late 2nd and Keefoot in that situation.

      Although, most likely, both Geno/Letang get resigned.


      When was the last sign and trade in the NHL??

      If Geno or Letang don't want to play for Pittsburgh next season why not just sign with the team they do want to play for directly???
      18 oct. 2021 à 0 h 48
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      Quoting: Riley816
      When was the last sign and trade in the NHL??

      If Geno or Letang don't want to play for Pittsburgh next season why not just sign with the team they do want to play for directly???


      Umm a ton of players. I believe Hyman was this offseason. There probably was others this offseason as well. And I’m sure there some last offseason too.

      Both Geno and Letang said they want to stay, want to resign an extension and Letang said retire a Pen. Geno will probably play acouple years in Russia before he retires.

      And Hextall/Burke said they want to resign and retire in PGH. Until anyone credible says or reports differently, I’d stick with most likely both will resign and stay in black and gold.
      18 oct. 2021 à 1 h 46
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      Quoting: LetsGoPens69
      Umm a ton of players. I believe Hyman was this offseason. There probably was others this offseason as well. And I’m sure there some last offseason too.

      Both Geno and Letang said they want to stay, want to resign an extension and Letang said retire a Pen. Geno will probably play acouple years in Russia before he retires.

      And Hextall/Burke said they want to resign and retire in PGH. Until anyone credible says or reports differently, I’d stick with most likely both will resign and stay in black and gold.


      There was no sign and trade involving Hyman or any other player recently.
      18 oct. 2021 à 1 h 49
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      Quoting: odyssey
      i did not know this. thank you for that information


      Yes it's in the new CBA.
      18 oct. 2021 à 1 h 51
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      Noway is Detroit retaining 50% on Malkin for a 4th and 6th round pick, We can retain on our own players and get 1st and 2nd round picks for them.
      18 oct. 2021 à 2 h 27
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      I don't care who you add in the forward group. With that defense you're going to be out in the 1st round.
      18 oct. 2021 à 3 h 15
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      Quoting: LetsGoPens69
      A late 1st and a late 2nd would be Geno’s Return as a(healthy) rental.

      Taking Keefoot or whoever would just be the leafs moving contracts back. It’s arbitrary; whichever player is put in that spot would just be in order to make the money work for the Leafs(any player without a term more than 2 seasons).

      It would be horrible to just get rental returns for Geno or Letang though. If Geno or Letang get traded, it would be in the offseason, and a sign and trade. And they’d get more than a late 1st, late 2nd and Keefoot in that situation.

      Although, most likely, both Geno/Letang get resigned.


      You do realize in this scenario he has Malkin going back to Pittsburgh in the offseason. You get Kerfoot, a 1st and a 2nd for loaning Malkin to the Leafs for the playoffs.
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      18 oct. 2021 à 3 h 26
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      Quoting: aedoran
      You do realize in this scenario he has Malkin going back to Pittsburgh in the offseason. You get Kerfoot, a 1st and a 2nd for loaning Malkin to the Leafs for the playoffs.


      Ya, I don’t see the Pens trading him at the deadline and then Geno coming back and resigning.

      Geno is a great team guy, locker room guy, very well liked by teammates, but he’s very emotional. You need to stroke his ego.

      And Sid is unselfish enough to let Geno have a lot of that stuff that usually is reserved for superstar like Sid. But Sid knows Geno needs that too and could have it elsewhere. But Sid also knows, obviously the team is better with Geno.

      Geno would take that as a slight. Just like most superstars would. He would think, “they wouldn’t do that with Sid”.

      He’s gone if they trade him at the deadline. Most likely back to Russia and the KHL or Panthers.
      18 oct. 2021 à 3 h 29
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      Quoting: Riley816
      When was the last sign and trade in the NHL??

      If Geno or Letang don't want to play for Pittsburgh next season why not just sign with the team they do want to play for directly???


      Wasn't Trouba to NYR a sign and trade?
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      18 oct. 2021 à 4 h 4
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      Quoting: aedoran
      Wasn't Trouba to NYR a sign and trade?


      Looks like he was traded then signed by the Rangers. He wasn't an ufa though...
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      18 oct. 2021 à 10 h 0
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      No team is going to retain on Malkin for a 4th and a 6th.
      If you'll excuse my napkin math, Malkin's daily pay rate for $2.375M retained is approximately $12,700 and change, based on 187 days in the NHL season. Being that players are paid daily, there are 39 days between the trade deadline and the final game of the regular season. That's roughly $495K total compensation.
      Considering that teams were paying a 4th at last year's deadline for $303K (Nick Foligno, $1.375M, 127 day season, 28 days between deadline and final day), you're likely going to need to increase your offer.

      Not a 100% accurate number crunch for sure, but should be in the ballpark.
      18 oct. 2021 à 10 h 35
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      Quoting: aedoran
      Wasn't Trouba to NYR a sign and trade?


      I thought if he refused to sign nullified the trade and Trouba would've stayed in Winnipeg.
      18 oct. 2021 à 10 h 46
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      Quoting: LetsGoPens69
      Ya, I don’t see the Pens trading him at the deadline and then Geno coming back and resigning.

      Geno is a great team guy, locker room guy, very well liked by teammates, but he’s very emotional. You need to stroke his ego.

      And Sid is unselfish enough to let Geno have a lot of that stuff that usually is reserved for superstar like Sid. But Sid knows Geno needs that too and could have it elsewhere. But Sid also knows, obviously the team is better with Geno.

      Geno would take that as a slight. Just like most superstars would. He would think, “they wouldn’t do that with Sid”.

      He’s gone if they trade him at the deadline. Most likely back to Russia and the KHL or Panthers.


      I was just pointing out info that the poster left but you obviously didn't read. 2 draft picks, Kerfoot and Malkin is back on your team at the start of next season. Like that is ever going to happen and the title even said that. You saw Malkin going to Toronto and got so upset that you didn't the description or the notes in the trade section and if you had we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
      18 oct. 2021 à 13 h 54
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      Quoting: aedoran
      I was just pointing out info that the poster left but you obviously didn't read. 2 draft picks, Kerfoot and Malkin is back on your team at the start of next season. Like that is ever going to happen and the title even said that. You saw Malkin going to Toronto and got so upset that you didn't the description or the notes in the trade section and if you had we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.


      No, no, no. Totally read everything before I commented and read your response after re-responded.

      I just don’t believe that it would ever be possible to trade Geno at the TD and have him resign with the Pens next season(for all the reason I mentioned).

      And think that a 1st and a 2nd round pick, plus a contract back to make the money work(which is what Kerfoot would be; although I’ll admit he’s much better than your usually contract dump).

      But again, like I said, that’s arbitrary. You could put any player/contract in that spot to make the money work for the Leafs and a late 1st and early 2nd draft pick is probably the return for Geno as a rental(plus taking a contract back to make the money work for the trade partner).

      But again, if the Pens trade Geno as a rental, and not try to maximize the return by executing a sign-and trade in the offseason, it would be a huge asset management mistake.

      Believe me, I understand my responses are usually long-winded so I definitely read other posters comments before I post. Mainly to just not waste my time, and try to agree or disagree all the points made.
       
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