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What should Buffalo get from Colorado if Buffalo agreed to retain Eichels salary

Créé par: sensonfire
Date de création initiale: 17 oct. 2021
Publié: 17 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
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  1. Eichel, Jack (5 000 000 $ retained)
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      Forget that there is 5 million in retention specifically.
      BUF
        The question is what should Buffalo get from Colorado if Buffalo retained Eichel's salary.


        It can be any amount of your choosing.


        I apologize for the lack of clarity.
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        2023
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        2024
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        TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
        2381 500 000 $77 918 963 $1 741 463 $3 775 000 $3 581 037 $
        Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
        COL
        Burakovsky, André
        4 900 000 $
        AG, AD
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Kadri, Nazem
        4 500 000 $
        C
        NTC
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Rantanen, Mikko
        9 250 000 $
        AD, C
        UFA - 4
        COL
        Jost, Tyson
        2 000 000 $
        C, AG, AD
        RFA - 2
        COL
        Newhook, Alex
        908 333 $
        C
        RFA - 2
        COL
        Compher, J.T.
        3 500 000 $
        AD, C
        UFA - 2
        COL
        Ranta, Sampo
        925 000 $
        AG
        RFA - 2
        COL
        Helm, Darren
        1 000 000 $
        C, AG, AD
        UFA - 1
        COL
        O'Connor, Logan
        725 000 $
        AD
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Matteau, Stefan
        750 000 $
        AG
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Sikura, Dylan
        800 000 $
        AG, AD, C
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Megna, Jayson
        750 000 $
        AD
        UFA - 2
        Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
        COL
        Girard, Samuel
        5 000 000 $
        DG/DD
        UFA - 6
        COL
        Makar, Cale
        9 000 000 $
        DD
        UFA - 6
        COL
        Kuemper, Darcy
        3 500 000 $
        G
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Byram, Bowen
        894 167 $
        DG
        RFA - 2
        COL
        Johnson, Erik
        6 000 000 $
        DD
        NMC NTC
        UFA - 2
        COL
        Johansson, Jonas
        750 000 $
        G
        RFA - 1
        COL
        Murray, Ryan
        2 000 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 1
        COL
        MacDermid, Kurtis
        875 000 $
        DG/DD
        UFA - 1
        Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
        COL
        Landeskog, Gabriel
        7 000 000 $
        AG, C
        NMC
        UFA - 8
        COL
        Toews, Devon
        4 100 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 3
        BUF
        Eichel, Jack
        5 000 000 $
        C
        UFA - 5
        COL
        MacKinnon, Nathan
        6 300 000 $
        C, AD
        NTC
        UFA - 2
        COL
        Nichushkin, Valeri
        2 500 000 $
        AG, AD
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Johnson, Jack
        750 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 1
        COL
        Francouz, Pavel
        2 000 000 $
        G
        UFA - 1

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        17 oct. à 16 h 47
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        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.
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        17 oct. à 16 h 49
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.


        No specific amount per se.

        I just went with half for the fun of it.
        17 oct. à 16 h 54
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        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.


        there is absolutely no way Byram is even mentioned in a trade talks
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        17 oct. à 16 h 56
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        Given pieces would be a 1st and Newhook. Probably at least one prospect in the Kaut, Helleson and Olausson category. And something has to come off the roster bc of the cap, Compher is the likely candidate in that case. I think those pieces would be the best educated guesses at this time.
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        Quoting: coga16
        there is absolutely no way Byram is even mentioned in a trade talks


        Who should be?
        17 oct. à 16 h 56
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        Quoting: coga16
        Given pieces would be a 1st and Newhook. Probably at least one prospect in the Kaut, Helleson and Olausson category. And something has to come off the roster bc of the cap, Compher is the likely candidate in that case. I think those pieces would be the best educated guesses at this time.


        Thanks
        17 oct. à 17 h 3
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        Buffalo is not retaining…..lol
        17 oct. à 17 h 5
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        Newhook + Kadri + 1st + 1st or Olausson/Barron/etc
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        17 oct. à 17 h 6
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        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
        Newhook + Kadri + 1st + 1st or Olausson/Barron/etc


        unless its pre-arranged that kadri is getting flipped, there is no way buffalo is on his approved trade list, hes blocking that 100%
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        17 oct. à 17 h 9
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        Quoting: coga16
        unless its pre-arranged that kadri is getting flipped, there is no way buffalo is on his approved trade list, hes blocking that 100%


        for sure he would get flipped, I doubt BUF would even want to keep him anyway
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        17 oct. à 17 h 13
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        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
        for sure he would get flipped, I doubt BUF would even want to keep him anyway


        the only problem in moving kadri then him being flipped is then the Avs have a hole at 2c for 4 months+ with no kadri and no newhook. Jost cannot handle it, neither can Compher.
        Its 6 weeks after Eichel has his surgery that he would be good to get back skating but 3-4 months until he is cleared.

        Create a huge whole in the top 6 this way and playing with fire IMO
        17 oct. à 17 h 23
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        At 5mil retention I’d expect it would never happen. That’s 5 years of Buffalo dealing with -5mil on their cap and within 3 years they’ll need that money for their younger players.
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        17 oct. à 17 h 42
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        Quoting: coga16
        unless its pre-arranged that kadri is getting flipped, there is no way buffalo is on his approved trade list, hes blocking that 100%


        He'd get flipped, but now that Ristolainen is gone I'm not sure Buffalo would definitely be on his no trade list. Buffalo is closer to his home town and he'd get to play a prominent role with PP1 time in a contract year. More than likely they are on his no trade list though, just not as likely as it was before this offseason.
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        17 oct. à 17 h 43
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        $5m x 5 retention would be absurd. No way that would happen.

        If retention happens it would likely be in the $1m - $1.5m range, and even then it would probably cost a 1st. That's $5m - $7.5m real dollars after all.
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        17 oct. à 17 h 48
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        Quoting: jet11567
        Buffalo is not retaining…..lol


        Quoting: thewookie1
        At 5mil retention I’d expect it would never happen. That’s 5 years of Buffalo dealing with -5mil on their cap and within 3 years they’ll need that money for their younger players.


        Quoting: Richard88
        $5m x 5 retention would be absurd. No way that would happen.

        If retention happens it would likely be in the $1m - $1.5m range, and even then it would probably cost a 1st. That's $5m - $7.5m real dollars after all.


        No specific amount per se.

        I just went with half for the fun of it.
        17 oct. à 17 h 48
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        Quoting: Richard88
        He'd get flipped, but now that Ristolainen is gone I'm not sure Buffalo would definitely be on his no trade list. Buffalo is closer to his home town and he'd get to play a prominent role with PP1 time in a contract year. More than likely they are on his no trade list though, just not as likely as it was before this offseason.


        Kadri doesn’t care about playing pp1 on a contract year, he wants to win a cup, hes 31 already, he’s not leaving cup contenders to pad stats on a basement team. How did that work out for hall? Did squat on a more talented version of hnst team
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        17 oct. à 18 h 34
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        Quoting: coga16
        there is absolutely no way Byram is even mentioned in a trade talks


        That's up to Colorado. Still how the value would work.
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        17 oct. à 18 h 46
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        That's up to Colorado. Still how the value would work.


        I can guarantee you that Byram name isnt mentioned and a non starter, no different than Krebs in Vegas, some guys are just off limits
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        17 oct. à 18 h 48
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        Quoting: coga16
        I can guarantee you that Byram name isnt mentioned and a non starter, no different than Krebs in Vegas, some guys are just off limits


        I get it. The value I'm saying. $5M retained on Eichel for that term and caliber of a player? It constitutes that type of return. COL doesn't have to feel that way but it's universally accurate value assessment.
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        17 oct. à 19 h 13
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        Quoting: coga16
        Given pieces would be a 1st and Newhook. Probably at least one prospect in the Kaut, Helleson and Olausson category. And something has to come off the roster bc of the cap, Compher is the likely candidate in that case. I think those pieces would be the best educated guesses at this time.


        If they are retaining 5 Million it absolutely includes both, straight up probably newhook and a 1st. But if youre getting Jack Eichel at 5Mill for the next 5 years youre adding Byram
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        17 oct. à 19 h 16
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        If BUF agreed to retain 50%, if your top prospect is not involved the trade does not happen. For Colorado, it would have to start with Newhook, possibly Byram. I’m not that familiar with the Avs prospects, but one of those 2 would be guaranteed to be in that kind of package.
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        17 oct. à 19 h 39
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        Quoting: TM11
        If they are retaining 5 Million it absolutely includes both, straight up probably newhook and a 1st. But if youre getting Jack Eichel at 5Mill for the next 5 years youre adding Byram


        he just retained an arbitrary amount, read through the comments
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        17 oct. à 19 h 41
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        I get it. The value I'm saying. $5M retained on Eichel for that term and caliber of a player? It constitutes that type of return. COL doesn't have to feel that way but it's universally accurate value assessment.


        5m is just an arbitrary amount retained by Sensonfire, dont get side tracked by it being 5m, that is not really the point of this roster conversation
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        17 oct. à 19 h 54
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        Quoting: coga16
        5m is just an arbitrary amount retained by Sensonfire, dont get side tracked by it being 5m, that is not really the point of this roster conversation


        Okay then.
        17 oct. à 19 h 58
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.


        Quoting: jet11567
        Buffalo is not retaining…..lol


        Quoting: thewookie1
        At 5mil retention I’d expect it would never happen. That’s 5 years of Buffalo dealing with -5mil on their cap and within 3 years they’ll need that money for their younger players.


        Quoting: Richard88
        $5m x 5 retention would be absurd. No way that would happen.

        If retention happens it would likely be in the $1m - $1.5m range, and even then it would probably cost a 1st. That's $5m - $7.5m real dollars after all.


        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        I get it. The value I'm saying. $5M retained on Eichel for that term and caliber of a player? It constitutes that type of return. COL doesn't have to feel that way but it's universally accurate value assessment.


        Quoting: evelutions2
        If BUF agreed to retain 50%, if your top prospect is not involved the trade does not happen. For Colorado, it would have to start with Newhook, possibly Byram. I’m not that familiar with the Avs prospects, but one of those 2 would be guaranteed to be in that kind of package.


        Quoting: coga16
        he just retained an arbitrary amount, read through the comments


        Quoting: coga16
        5m is just an arbitrary amount retained by Sensonfire, dont get side tracked by it being 5m, that is not really the point of this roster conversation


        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        Okay then.



        Please see my little note about retaining Eichel's salary.

        Once again, I apologize for the misunderstanding smile
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