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EICHEL 4-WAY BLOCKBUSTER

Créé par: Richard88
Date de création initiale: 17 oct. 2021
Publié: 17 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
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1.
COL
  1. Caufield, Cole
  2. 2022 2e round pick (MTL)
  3. 2023 2e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Not sure what Caufield's trade value is, but basically Buffalo pick some futures/assets from Montreal to the equivalent value of Girard.

Buffalo already have Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, and Johnson at LHD so a selection of futures from Montreal might be more appealing than Girard.
MTL
  1. Girard, Samuel
Détails additionnels:
Montreal get a young top-pairing LHD on an awesome contract to partner Petry and QB their PP.

Girard goes to Montreal which is a much better destination for him than Buffalo, thereby making it less awkward to trade him just 1 year into his 7 year team-friendly contract.
2.
COL
  1. Eichel, Jack (1 200 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Eichel traded via Arizona who retain $1.2m x 5 ($6m) in exchange for a 1st and B prospect from Colorado.
BUF
  1. Newhook, Alex
  2. Compher, J.T.
  3. Caufield, Cole
  4. 2022 2e round pick (MTL)
  5. 2023 2e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
+ Plus whatever other prospects/picks are necessary from Colorado/Montreal.

There would likely also be some conditions on the picks dependent on Eichel's health.
3.
COL
    ARI
    1. Beaucage, Alex
    2. 2023 1e round pick (COL)
    Détails additionnels:
    1st + B prospect for $1.2m x 5 ($6m) retention on Eichel.

    Arizona likely won't be up against the cap ceiling until after Eichel's contract expires in 2026, so they'd effectively simply be buying a high pick and prospect for cash here, which is something their owners have been willing to do this previous offseason.
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2022
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    2023
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    2024
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $80 319 797 $1 741 463 $3 007 500 $1 180 203 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    COL
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    7 000 000 $
    AG, C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    COL
    MacKinnon, Nathan
    6 300 000 $
    C, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Rantanen, Mikko
    9 250 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 4
    COL
    Ranta, Sampo
    925 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    8 800 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    COL
    Burakovsky, André
    4 900 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Nichushkin, Valeri
    2 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Kadri, Nazem
    4 500 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Jost, Tyson
    2 000 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    COL
    Helm, Darren
    1 000 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Maltsev, Mikhail
    809 167 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    COL
    O'Connor, Logan
    725 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    COL
    Toews, Devon
    4 100 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Makar, Cale
    9 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 6
    COL
    Kuemper, Darcy
    3 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Byram, Bowen
    894 167 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    COL
    Johnson, Erik
    6 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Francouz, Pavel
    2 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Murray, Ryan
    2 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Johnson, Jack
    750 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    COL
    Megna, Jayson
    750 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    COL
    MacDermid, Kurtis
    875 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1

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    17 oct. 2021 à 11 h 35
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    Quoting: F50marco
    We can all debate till the cows come home, no team with a player like Caulfield is trading him for a player like Girard. Let alone adding two 2nd round picks.


    is that that far fetched? habs just let kk walk and have traded other top prospects like sergachev, galchenyuk, mcdonagh.
    17 oct. 2021 à 11 h 40
    #27
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    Quoting: coga16
    I would assume thats Lehky, too many fwds were just added either via traded or signed as Free Agents, dont think they move any guy they just signed/extended etc. I dont think they move Drouin bc that would probably be a bad look after everything he went through, hes back playing hockey and happy so let him be


    Lehkonen could be an interesting piece to include going to Colorado in a trade scenario like the one in this AGM. Avs would be down a couple of forwards if they moved Compher and Newhook, especially considering that Eichel will miss at least 4 months as well, so Lehkonen could be a cheaper Compher replacement, ideally with 50% retained.

    The forward group would basically be this until Eichel returned:

    Landeskog -- Mackinnon -- Rantanen
    Nichuskin -------- Kadri ------ Burakovsky
    Lehkonen --------- Jost -------- Ranta
    Helm ------------ Maltsev ------ O'Connor

    Maybe instead of Caufield they'd do something like 2022 1st + Lehkonen + prospect that Buffalo likes other than Caufield, and Lehkonen goes to Colorado with only the futures to Buffalo.

    Anyways, this is becoming quite convoluted. Just thought it was an interesting idea as a way to move Girard somewhere without pissing him off by trading him directly to Buffalo.
    17 oct. 2021 à 11 h 59
    #28
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    I think rather than two 2nds make it one 1st. Probably 2023.
    17 oct. 2021 à 11 h 59
    #29
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Not acquiring Girard simply because you have some LHD prospects - who may or may not pan out, is a risky business. There's a reason why GM's pay up for proven players, because far from all prospects pan out.


    I was simply addressing why it isn't a "need", but a "nice to have". If we weren't talking Caufield it might be worth looking at, but moving him just to throw another hat in the ring at a well stocked position, isn't wise.
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    17 oct. 2021 à 12 h 11
    #30
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Not acquiring Girard simply because you have some LHD prospects - who may or may not pan out, is a risky business. There's a reason why GM's pay up for proven players, because far from all prospects pan out.


    It's not not trading for Girard because of our LHD pipeline that is a problem, it's the idea of trading Caufield for a LHD while having this LHD pipeline.
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    17 oct. 2021 à 12 h 19
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    It's not not trading for Girard because of our LHD pipeline that is a problem, it's the idea of trading Caufield for a LHD while having this LHD pipeline.


    You can do something like 1st + Lehkonen + prospect/pick then. It doesn't have to include Caufield but needs to be fair value for Girard in this scenario.
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    17 oct. 2021 à 12 h 36
    #32
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    https://twitter.com/BWildeMTL/status/1449735255162769408

    Just saw this, which is interesting in light of the conversation on how valuable Girard would (or wouldn't) be to the Habs, as a McAvoy/Fox/Heiskanen/Sanderson (or a Makar or Hughes) player is not really in the realm of possibility ... wonder what Wilde thinks could be MON's trade chips for such a high end asset, and Girard's contract is so good ... players like that don't really get traded, so it is hard to calculate his value, esp. as it is also tied to how you rate his size versus his mobility + analytics. Only follow prospects secondhand, but am doubtful in spite of its LHD pipeline, MON has a bluechip PMD (Byram, Drysdale, Sanderson calibre) within the system. Guhle is very good, but not really a PMD, and doubtful Norlinder is slated to reach that level. Maybe MON could think of trading for Marino who is allegedly on the mkt., though that would be a post-Bergevin move, since he doesn't seem to value PMD.
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    17 oct. 2021 à 12 h 45
    #33
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Not acquiring Girard simply because you have some LHD prospects - who may or may not pan out, is a risky business. There's a reason why GM's pay up for proven players, because far from all prospects pan out.


    thats fine the habs will take that risk given that their biggest issue remains putting the puck in the net so why would they trade one of their top scoring prospect who has already shown he can have success in the toughest games. This deal just makes doesnt make sense for either side.
    17 oct. 2021 à 13 h 11
    #34
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    This is really neat 👍

    Replies here are always far too harsh

    They never seem to appreciate constructive input
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    17 oct. 2021 à 13 h 19
    #35
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    Newhook, Girard, and a 1st might pretty much get it done without involving two other teams. Colorado can't do that though, as they need the roster players to get through the season.

    FWIW, my stab at an Eichel trade would be something along the lines of Bowers, Olausson, Barron, conditional 1st, 3rd. Pretty much all futures, which allows the team to get through the year and survive while Jack is out. Same or more retention is necessary. It most likely doesn't get it done, but Newhook is still untouchable.
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    17 oct. 2021 à 14 h 47
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    Sorry, MTL would reject your trade, as we need Caufield for the future. We would like to counteroffer for a conditional 7th for Makar at 100% retained salary.
    17 oct. 2021 à 15 h 44
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    So Girard, Newhook, Compher, Beaucage and a 1st for a guy with a neck issue and even with retention a massive cap hit. Then $25M to sign a starting goalie, 2 defenseman, and 4 forwards all while knowing a MacKinnon extension is priority 1 in the off season. The Avs aren’t acquiring a big long term contract this season no matter what?
    17 oct. 2021 à 16 h 33
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    Quoting: joesunsunjoe
    Sorry, MTL would reject your trade, as we need Caufield for the future. We would like to counteroffer for a conditional 7th for Makar at 100% retained salary.


    This trade never happens, your right, Montreal doesn't let go of Caufield as he is potentially the future of that team and they need goal scoring in a bad way. The Makar part of your reply makes no sense though as this proposal is actually quite close in value, I think one second would be better but still. As it stands rn Girard would have slightly more value then Caufield.
    17 oct. 2021 à 17 h 35
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    So Girard, Newhook, Compher, Beaucage and a 1st for a guy with a neck issue and even with retention a massive cap hit. Then $25M to sign a starting goalie, 2 defenseman, and 4 forwards all while knowing a MacKinnon extension is priority 1 in the off season. The Avs aren’t acquiring a big long term contract this season no matter what?


    Mackinnon's extension will be covered by EJ's money coming off the books.

    $25m is easily enough to sign Burakovsky (~$6m), Nichuskin (~$3.5m), and Kuemper (~$5.5m) and still have ~$10m left over for 2-3 depth forwards and a #6 Dman.

    The concern about the neck is very valid however. I'm not suggesting it would be easy to swing this trade, but I think it's interesting to explore the parameters by which it could potentially work, given that Colorado were specifically mentioned by Friedman as being involved in discussions about Eichel.
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    17 oct. 2021 à 19 h 1
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Mackinnon's extension will be covered by EJ's money coming off the books.

    $25m is easily enough to sign Burakovsky (~$6m), Nichuskin (~$3.5m), and Kuemper (~$5.5m) and still have ~$10m left over for 2-3 depth forwards and a #6 Dman.

    The concern about the neck is very valid however. I'm not suggesting it would be easy to swing this trade, but I think it's interesting to explore the parameters by which it could potentially work, given that Colorado were specifically mentioned by Friedman as being involved in discussions about Eichel.

    Evidently BUF has outright said they won’t retain anything. Eichel at 8.5 is worth investigating, Eichel at 10M would mean 46M in 5 players not exactly optimal for layering and considering the shortage of picks it would be very hard to get young cheap talent.
    17 oct. 2021 à 23 h 32
    #41
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    Adam already said that he's not retaining on Jack Eichel, And good luck getting Eichel and then giving MacKinnon $11,000,000 in a couple of seasons.
    18 oct. 2021 à 9 h 53
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    Quoting: AustonMatthews3443
    This trade never happens, your right, Montreal doesn't let go of Caufield as he is potentially the future of that team and they need goal scoring in a bad way. The Makar part of your reply makes no sense though as this proposal is actually quite close in value, I think one second would be better but still. As it stands rn Girard would have slightly more value then Caufield.


    Tell me you don't know sarcasm without telling me you don't know sarcasm. Caufield rn may have less value than Girard, but Caufield in 3-4 years will get a Suzuki-like extension, and have much more value than Girard.
    18 oct. 2021 à 11 h 37
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    Quoting: joesunsunjoe
    Tell me you don't know sarcasm without telling me you don't know sarcasm. Caufield rn may have less value than Girard, but Caufield in 3-4 years will get a Suzuki-like extension, and have much more value than Girard.


    Quoting: joesunsunjoe
    Tell me you don't know sarcasm without telling me you don't know sarcasm. Caufield rn may have less value than Girard, but Caufield in 3-4 years will get a Suzuki-like extension, and have much more value than Girard.

    You say that like it's a guarantee. He's still only played 13 NHL games with 4 goals, and whilst he does have the potential to break out in a big way, he still hasn't proved it. Better prospects than him have busted, so it's no guarantee that he hits his ceiling.
     
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