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If PIT is out at TDL

Créé par: drmantalban
Date de création initiale: 14 oct. 2021
Publié: 15 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Explications
This assumes MIN is in a playoff spot and PIT is not come TDL.

I could see BG making a move or two to bolster, but not a blockbuster that would further complicate the buyout years. I think this is a happy medium. Carter is a playoff monster and still has game. Wild need help scoring goals in Ploffs.
Transactions
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MIN
  1. Carter, Jeff
PIT
  1. 2022 3e round pick (MIN)
  2. 2022 4e round pick (MIN)
I actually think Carter could be traded for a bit more, but I’m just using his last trade as proxy
Rachats de contrats
  • Zach Parise: 2 371 794 $
  • Ryan Suter: 2 371 794 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
SJS
MIN
2023
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2024
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 089 450 $0 $0 $410 550 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
5 250 000 $
C
UFA - 8
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
3 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Pitlick, Rem
917 831 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
PIT
Carter, Jeff
2 636 364 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
5 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Sturm, Nico
725 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Gaudreau, Frédérick
1 200 000 $
C
UFA - 2
MIN
Duhaime, Brandon
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Goligoski, Alex
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Talbot, Cam
3 666 667 $
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Dumba, Matt
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
725 000 $
G
RFA - 1
MIN
Kulikov, Dmitry
2 250 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Merrill, Jon
850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Rask, Victor
4 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Bjugstad, Nick
900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Benn, Jordie
900 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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15 oct. 2021 à 11 h 45
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It would probably take a prospect and a 2nd or something like that
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15 oct. 2021 à 11 h 48
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It would probably take a prospect and a 2nd or something like that


That was kinda my thought too. I tried to allude to that in the trade description details, but wasn’t entirely sure what fair value would be, so I just used a proxy.
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Quoting: drmantalban
That was kinda my thought too. I tried to allude to that in the trade description details, but wasn’t entirely sure what fair value would be, so I just used a proxy.


Yeah, I would've done the same tbh
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15 oct. 2021 à 11 h 57
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yeah 2nd and a good prospect seems fair. also he'd play first or second line on your team
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 0
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yeah 2nd and a good prospect seems fair. also he'd play first or second line on your team


Eh I wouldn’t get hung up on the line orders. MIN uses our 2nd as a shutdown line, but top 3 all get heavy minutes. Fiala needs a competent center, so as of now, he fits most naturally there. You can consider that our 2nd line, if it makes you feel better.
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15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 23
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Quoting: drmantalban
Eh I wouldn’t get hung up on the line orders. MIN uses our 2nd as a shutdown line, but top 3 all get heavy minutes. Fiala needs a competent center, so as of now, he fits most naturally there. You can consider that our 2nd line, if it makes you feel better.


But the thing is dean e like Freddy. Also no way is Guerin trading picks in one of the better drafts in a long while. Also don't think Guerin will because he's made it clear he rather not trade prospects, or picks. The 2022 draft is supposed to be historic
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 28
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I think adding either/both Beckman or Boldy would be more impactful than Carter. I wouldn’t get too hung up about where they play.
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15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 41
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I think adding either/both Beckman or Boldy would be more impactful than Carter. I wouldn’t get too hung up about where they play.


That’s optimistic, I’m not sure if I’d go that far myself. I’m not saying Guerin would actually go for Carter, but I think it’s pretty unlikely that Beckham or Boldy would be a more impactful playoff player than him. Carter is still pretty dang solid, and he’s a monster in postseason, which we all know is a different animal.
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15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 45
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But the thing is dean e like Freddy. Also no way is Guerin trading picks in one of the better drafts in a long while. Also don't think Guerin will because he's made it clear he rather not trade prospects, or picks. The 2022 draft is supposed to be historic


I don’t think it’s very likely Guerin would trade for Carter, but im not quite as certain he won’t make any type of move at all. Big splash? Prob not. But hardline no to anything and everything like you seem to suggest. I don’t think that’s necessarily true either.
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15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 53
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Quoting: drmantalban
That’s optimistic, I’m not sure if I’d go that far myself. I’m not saying Guerin would actually go for Carter, but I think it’s pretty unlikely that Beckham or Boldy would be a more impactful playoff player than him. Carter is still pretty dang solid, and he’s a monster in postseason, which we all know is a different animal.


Completely fair, and Carter’s playoff experience is precisely why we would go after a guy like him. I just don’t see this team as a true contender and rather that we should be a seller. And I think we can do that while making noise in the playoffs.
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15 oct. 2021 à 13 h 1
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Quoting: drmantalban
I don’t think it’s very likely Guerin would trade for Carter, but im not quite as certain he won’t make any type of move at all. Big splash? Prob not. But hardline no to anything and everything like you seem to suggest. I don’t think that’s necessarily true either.


Carter, if his cost is something similar to what PIT paid, would be a solid move. Boldy gets healthy and finds his game.

Zucc/JEE/Kaprizov
Fiala/Carter/Boldy
Greenway/Sturm/Foligno
Hartman+ 2 guys

Or a heavier stacked lineup:
Fiala/Carter/Kaprizov-high scoring line
Greenway/JEE/Foligno-shutdown line
Boldy/Sturm/Zucc-energy line
Hartman+ 2 guys-grinder line
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15 oct. 2021 à 13 h 2
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Completely fair, and Carter’s playoff experience is precisely why we would go after a guy like him. I just don’t see this team as a true contender and rather that we should be a seller. And I think we can do that while making noise in the playoffs.


That I agree with. We’re too far away from being true contenders to really entertain any of these rental type moves. Tbh, I just watched the first couple of Pens games and was impressed with Carter, so this proposal is nothing more than shiny object effect for me.
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15 oct. 2021 à 13 h 4
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Completely fair, and Carter’s playoff experience is precisely why we would go after a guy like him. I just don’t see this team as a true contender and rather that we should be a seller. And I think we can do that while making noise in the playoffs.


If MN was sellers the only noise they would hear is either the sounds of the golf course, or the door hitting them on the way out of the 1st round.
15 oct. 2021 à 13 h 19
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Carter, if his cost is something similar to what PIT paid, would be a solid move. Boldy gets healthy and finds his game.

Zucc/JEE/Kaprizov
Fiala/Carter/Boldy
Greenway/Sturm/Foligno
Hartman+ 2 guys

Or a heavier stacked lineup:
Fiala/Carter/Kaprizov-high scoring line
Greenway/JEE/Foligno-shutdown line
Boldy/Sturm/Zucc-energy line
Hartman+ 2 guys-grinder line


Tbh, I kinda like both of those lineups. I think he could be an interesting piece to keep an eye on.
15 oct. 2021 à 13 h 27
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Quoting: wabit
If MN was sellers the only noise they would hear is either the sounds of the golf course, or the door hitting them on the way out of the 1st round.


Let’s say we sell Greenway and replace him with Boldy and Sturm and replace him with Beckman closer to the TDL. That’s a net gain IMO. The big sale that could impact things is Fiala, but if you move him in season then the return is probably worth it.
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Quoting: jnowariak
Completely fair, and Carter’s playoff experience is precisely why we would go after a guy like him. I just don’t see this team as a true contender and rather that we should be a seller. And I think we can do that while making noise in the playoffs.


So agree with you
15 oct. 2021 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: jnowariak
Let’s say we sell Greenway and replace him with Boldy and Sturm and replace him with Beckman closer to the TDL. That’s a net gain IMO. The big sale that could impact things is Fiala, but if you move him in season then the return is probably worth it.


Agreed, but if we have a monster season, resign him
15 oct. 2021 à 14 h 30
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Quoting: jnowariak
Let’s say we sell Greenway and replace him with Boldy and Sturm and replace him with Beckman closer to the TDL. That’s a net gain IMO. The big sale that could impact things is Fiala, but if you move him in season then the return is probably worth it.


Boldy already has a lineup spot waiting (Fiala's line). He's just injured and is being replaced by waiver fodder quality players. His game was the most complete and just needed the confidence to know he belongs in the NHL. He looked like he was ready for the being in the NHL step in his development; the NHL skills are there, he just needs the mental side to realize he belongs. The only way to get that is by playing at that level. I can see him bouncing between the AHL and NHL if he needs a confidence boost (outside of the injury recovery games he'll probably need).

Beckman can only shoot, nothing else about his game is close to NHL ready. He has potential, but he's very rough and needs to learn a lot.

Sturm really needs to get moved up in the lineup. He was 4th in goals last year, had the highest d-zone start rate, was a +10, etc. Losing him would hurt more than people realize.
 
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