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Tony DeAngelo was dead last in EV TOI among defensemen and Carolina still wins

Créé par: sensonfire
Date de création initiale: 14 oct. 2021
Publié: 15 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Explications
TDA was never meant to be first-pair defensemen

On any team.


Thank you Rod the Bod :)


A win against a cup contender no less :D


On to Nashville for Saturday ;)


You can thank me later :P
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Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Svechnikov, A.
Trocheck, V.
Teräväinen, T.
Aho, S.
Deangelo, A.
Avantage numérique 2
Kotkaniemi, J.
Staal, J.
Necas, M.
Niederreiter, N.
Pesce, B.
Infériorité numérique 1
Staal, J.
Stepan, D.
Slavin, J.
Cole, I.
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Aho, S.
Teräväinen, T.
Bear, E.
Pesce, B.

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15 oct. 2021 à 0 h 20
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What did you think of Bear, just curious
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15 oct. 2021 à 0 h 23
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Bear is the 5v5 minutes eater to replace Hamilton and ADA is the PP QB to replace him.
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15 oct. 2021 à 0 h 36
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What did you think of Bear, just curious


He's earned more ice time than TDA, that's for sure.
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15 oct. 2021 à 1 h 17
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DeAngelo is a valuable piece for the power-play alone. If you have the depth that Carolina has and also had the foresight to acquire Ethan Bear, then you make that move every day of the week.
15 oct. 2021 à 1 h 36
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DeAngelo is a valuable piece for the power-play alone. If you have the depth that Carolina has and also had the foresight to acquire Ethan Bear, then you make that move every day of the week.


Being a valuable piece for the power-play is beside the point.


The point I've been trying to make for days is that the Carolina Hurricanes should not put DeAngelo on the top pairing.


Rod the bod agrees with me on that front.


Hardly anybody on this site does as well, which is too bad frown
15 oct. 2021 à 2 h 27
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Being a valuable piece for the power-play is beside the point.


The point I've been trying to make for days is that the Carolina Hurricanes should not put DeAngelo on the top pairing.


Rod the bod agrees with me on that front.


Hardly anybody on this site does as well, which is too bad frown


I'm in full agreement with you, actually. For now. Almost all of my lineups have it as Cole-DeAngelo. The big thing that will keep it that way or not is if Ethan Bear pans out as the 5-on-5 guy.
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15 oct. 2021 à 5 h 6
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15 oct. 2021 à 6 h 59
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It's not random.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/520826
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/520783
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/518582
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/518610
15 oct. 2021 à 7 h 57
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It's not random.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/520826
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/520783
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/518582
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/518610


Comment on one of those posts then you fart.

TDA was one of our best players last night and you have the nuts to post this haha
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15 oct. 2021 à 8 h 17
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Comment on one of those posts then you fart.

TDA was one of our best players last night and you have the nuts to post this haha


On the power-play.

When there's no power-play, he's nowhere to be found.

Nothing more than a one-trick pony.
15 oct. 2021 à 8 h 22
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On the power-play.

When there's no power-play, he's nowhere to be found.

Nothing more than a one-trick pony.


Probably because he was on the third pairing you fart
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15 oct. 2021 à 8 h 42
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and he had most points of all Canes d-men smile
15 oct. 2021 à 8 h 49
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Probably because he was on the third pairing you fart


Probably because he doesn't belong on the first pairing.

You should know but you don't you squirt.
15 oct. 2021 à 8 h 51
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and he had most points of all Canes d-men smile


And yet Rod the Bod doesn't put him on the first pairing or give him more EV TOI than Ian Cole.

I wonder why o_O
15 oct. 2021 à 9 h 20
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And yet Rod the Bod doesn't put him on the first pairing or give him more EV TOI than Ian Cole.

I wonder why o_O


Jesus christ its the first game! Its comments like these, is why I assumed you were a kid

o_O
15 oct. 2021 à 9 h 44
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You know who had one of the less TOI of all ur forwards ? Yess the guy u overpaid by 4M on a offersheet
15 oct. 2021 à 9 h 54
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You know who had one of the less TOI of all ur forwards ? Yess the guy u overpaid by 4M on a offersheet


That's an entirely different discussion with an entirely different set of circumstances.
15 oct. 2021 à 10 h 7
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Jesus christ its the first game! Its comments like these, is why I assumed you were a kid

o_O


If TDA was a 3rd pairing defenseman this season and all he did was quarterback the powerplay, it could be a good redemption story.



At the same time, if he outshines both Bear and Pesce at both ends of the ice after a couple more games or so, I could see Rod the Bod promoting him to the first pairing.

That's also something I could get behind.

Especially if he stays out of trouble.



A spot on the first pairing is something that is earned based on merit, not entitlement.

Rod the Bod would attest to that.

Considering that he didn't just give TDA whatever TDA wants to start the season.



Best of luck on Saturday smile
15 oct. 2021 à 11 h 46
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And yet Rod the Bod doesn't put him on the first pairing or give him more EV TOI than Ian Cole.

I wonder why o_O


still had less TOI than top4 guys and scored 2
were other Dmen forbidden to put points?
15 oct. 2021 à 11 h 47
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You know who had one of the less TOI of all ur forwards ? Yess the guy u overpaid by 4M on a offersheet


but Aho wasn't overpaid by canadiens
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 4
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TDA also lead the team in xGF, xCF, and chances created (among defenders)... they won in SPITE of TDA being shackled.
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 5
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still had less TOI than top4 guys and scored 2
were other Dmen forbidden to put points?


I never said that.



If last night's game was any indication, TDA is basically going to be to Carolina what Erik Gustafsson was to Montreal in the playoffs.

The go-to guy for quarterbacking the 1st powerplay unit (only reason why he got on the scoresheet).

But being stuck on the third pairing and not doing much else.
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 13
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TDA also lead the team in xGF, xCF, and chances created (among defenders)... they won in SPITE of TDA being shackled.


You and a bunch of other people thought ADA was entitled to a spot on the first-pairing, right at the start of the season.

I thought otherwise.



Based on the decision-making of Rod the Bod, turns out he and I were on the same page.
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 22
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You and a bunch of other people thought ADA was entitled to a spot on the first-pairing, right at the start of the season.

I thought otherwise.



Based on the decision-making of Rod the Bod, turns out he and I were on the same page.


Except.... TDA's partner most of the time the game was 5v5? Jaccob Slavin... 1st pairing
15 oct. 2021 à 12 h 40
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Except.... TDA's partner most of the time the game was 5v5? Jaccob Slavin... 1st pairing


1. To start the game, the Canes had TDA on the third pairing with Ian Cole.

https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1448784144947990532



2. TDA's EV TOI was 11:28 while Slavin's EV TOI was 17:08.

Not exactly the look of a 1st pairing or a match made in heaven even.



3. Skjei and Pesce are the only two defensemen on the Canes that got more than 20 minutes of EV TOI.

If Rod the Bod was looking for a 1st pairing to start the season for the Canes, this seems to be what he's settled on.

There's your 1st pairing.




4. Look, if TDA was a 3rd pairing defenseman this season and all he did was quarterback the powerplay, it could be a good redemption story.

At the same time, if he outshines both Bear and Pesce at both ends of the ice after a couple more games or so, I could see Rod the Bod promoting him to the first pairing.

That's also something I could get behind.

Especially if he stays out of trouble.



5. A spot on the first pairing is something that is earned based on merit, not entitlement.

Rod the Bod would attest to that.

Considering that he didn't just give TDA whatever TDA wants to start the season.

Best of luck on Saturday.
 
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