The difference? I’m able to criticize my team…the drafting has sucked.

So now your argument is it’s a crap shoot?

The rangers haven’t developed crap. Their three most important players were acquired after their development was complete, or in fox’s case, like 96% complete.

Even the poor development guys have reasons why they didn't pan out: Gauthier was a Nonis pick and was only projected to be a third liner at best. Liljegren should be on the team this year and is still up for debate. Bracco was a disappointment but it wasn't for a lack of trying on the part of Toronto.



Dermott and Sandin look promising and are on the team. Robertson is being managed correctly. And again, none of those guys are top 10 picks.

No difference, our recent drafting has been decent. Before that we had tons of bad picks. I too can admit when we draft bad so you have 0 leg to stand on with that comment. So you’re saying we traded a 2nd for a 96% allstar D man? Sounds like everyone knew what CAR was giving up 🤔

Dermott is well on his way to 30 and fighting for a roster spot. Not promising at all. 2-3 years ago looked very promising however and since has 0 attraction.

Yes. They did. It was very obvious. Fox was open that he would wait until ufa and sign with the rangers. Carolina got something instead of getting nothing. The closest comparable to the fox trade would be the ufa signing rights trades. Carolina did pretty well

He's 24 but okay?

Drafted 7 years ago, halfway to 30 from the day he was drafted and fighting for a spot with younger prospects for a spot on a “not deep D roster”. So ya, not looking good for him. I don’t think he is the issue either, the team has screwed him over

Pretty sure you could sift through your messages and find a bunch where you say fox in mediocre, it’s what everyone one here was saying before last season. Even during his season people claimed he was nowhere near top 10 in the league. Fox wasn’t touted like a McDavid or Matthews, he was drafted in the 2nd round. at least Makar came at 4OA. 0 people expected his to win a Norris in his career let alone 2nd season. That’s just a hot take

You will find zero. I encourage you to look though.

He was drafted in the third round FYI. Players develop all the time, it’s why there’s more than one round in the draft.

This is such a weird and incorrect criticism of Dermott and the Leafs defense as a whole. He's already played 200 games in the NHL. He'd be a top 4 LD on a number of teams, Rangers one of them.

And again, he wasn't traded in the top 10 of a draft. Toronto's allowed all their blue chip prospects turn into great players.

Both Lindgren and Miller are better so he isn’t in our top 4. Also it’s very accurate assessment of their D. Holl can only play with Muzzin, the the bottom 3 are fighting with each other for a spot. You don’t have to agree, but you’re wrong

"Toronto's D is bad because they have three players in contention for a spot" is certainly a take.

2nd/3rd/7th round, the fact of the matter is you are supporting my case. He was never a slam dunk, and wasn’t slated as that when we acquired him. He had a good potential, yes, but not widely known to be the McDavid of D. Therefore saying he was 96% developed is inaccurate. And the draft being a crap shoot when you can find some of the best players in the world in 3rd-7th rounds also supports my previous statements. Some players have person issues whether it be ego, drive, mental health, partying, or whatever else and then it doesn’t work out. Meanwhile some get better chances than others or put more effort in. Every team has its bad and good picks but to blanket a team for being awful a drafting, developing and signing is far out there.

3 guys fighting over 2 spots. None of them are sure things who have solidified a spot. Liljgren is going to be a career 6th/7th guy and not in a good way. These are the guys you can afford. Dermott makes what his value is to the leafs at this point. He isn’t a 4M guy in a deep D trying to keep his job from a budding young star. Dermott could be so much more if they hadn’t screwed him the last 2 seasons.

Alright so now it's three guys over two spots instead of three guys over one spot. Liljegren and Dermott are both good enough for the Leafs roster and you can only pick one, this doesn't seem like as much of a problem and you're making it out to be. And again, Dermott has 208 NHL games currently, I fail to see how the team has screwed him over.

Personally I'd be more upset that the Rangers are throwing top 10 draft picks into a blender than Toronto's third pairing, but to each their own.

Do you really think that those 3 guys are #1-3 guys anywhere else right now? Sandin and Lundkvist are probably comparable and he’s out 6th D, he’s you’re 5th and arguably you’re 4th over Holl. And didn’t have a secured spot last season. Does this help you understand? You’re 4th = our 6th.

Fox>Reilly
Lindgren similar to Brodie(not much difference if any)
Trouba similar to Muzzin(again not much difference)
Miller > Holl
Nemeth >Dermott
Lundkvist = Sandin

It doesn't help me understand because you literally went off on a tangent here. I disagree with your opinions on the player comparisons but I don't want to debate you anymore because I can feel my brain smoothing out.

Toronto's defense doesn't have anything to do with your team screwing up top prospects.

SMH.. simpletons..

The McDavid of d? Grow up.

Everyone knew fox was really good. He had played three years of ncaa, which is why he’ll turn 24 on his elc.

Yes, more useless facts that prove nothing. He won the Norris in his 2nd year on his ELC. That’s elite like McDavid, you’re claiming it was widely known he was this talent level… but I should grow up 🤣🤣

Everyone knew this.why else would the rangers give up a pick for a guy that was a few weeks from turning ufa?

To get a player that was going to be good in the line up a months sooner, a rebuilding line up to add to it.

No one “knew” we was going to be the best or top 2 or top 3 D inThe world. 🤣🤣🤣

No, but everyone knew he was a highly touted nhl caliber d man, which is the point. The rangers haven’t developed crap

🤣🤣🤣

Joke of a take

Normally when a team develops a guy, he doesn’t spend 100% of his time within the organization playing significant nhl minutes. Do we really need to explain this to you?