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Are these fair

Créé par: bonkey
Date de création initiale: oct 13, 2021
Publié: 13 oct à 6 h 48
Équipe: 2021-22 Sabres de Buffalo
Transactions
1.
BUF
  1. Bordeleau, Thomas [Liste de réserve]
  2. Merkley, Ryan
  3. Hertl, Tomas
  4. 2022 1e round pick (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
San Jose gets to pick if the pick is 2022 or 2023 on the day of the NHL Draft
SJS
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Bryson, Jacob
2.
BUF
  1. Shaw, Andrew
  2. Reichel, Lukas
  3. 2022 3e round pick (EDM)
CHI
  1. Hertl, Tomas (2 812 500 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
  • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
  • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Tomas Hertl: 2 812 500 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
BUF
FLA
SJS
BUF
BUF
EDM
BUF
NJD
BUF
BUF
2023
BUF
BUF
PHI
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2024
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $60 735 014 $113 916 $850 000 $20 764 986 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 6
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
894 167 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Hinostroza, Vinnie
1 050 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
3 050 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
BUF
Mittelstadt, Casey
2 500 000 $
C
RFA - 3
BUF
Asplund, Rasmus
825 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Bjork, Anders
1 600 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
BUF
Thompson, Tage
1 400 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
6 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
2 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
BUF
Eakin, Cody
2 250 000 $
C
UFA - 1
BUF
Caggiula, Drake
750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
6 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
BUF
Miller, Colin
3 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
BUF
Anderson, Craig
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Butcher, Will
2 822 764 $
DG
UFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
2 500 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
BUF
Tokarski, Dustin
725 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Hägg, Robert
1 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
BUF
Pysyk, Mark
900 000 $
DD, AD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
BUF
Fitzgerald, Casey
750 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
CHI
Shaw, Andrew
3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
BUF
Ruotsalainen, Arttu
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
BUF
Hayden, John
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1

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13 oct à 15 h 10
#26
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres have 8 D men that are highly touted prospects or already NHLers under the age of 24. You think one of them couldnt flip sides to win an NHL spot or in Dahlin's case, go back to the right side. if they were concerned with RD depth they would have drafted one 3 months ago. That argument is stupid. They dont need to trade for a dman just because he holds the stick in his opposite hand


No sir, the argument that is stupid is that you think a 21 year old prospect has negative value. This is not about what Buffalo wants, this is about what San Jose is trading away to still finish bottom of the league.
13 oct à 15 h 15
#27
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No sir, the argument that is stupid is that you think a 21 year old prospect has negative value. This is not about what Buffalo wants, this is about what San Jose is trading away to still finish bottom of the league.


The Sabres trade away their franchise center, for a dman, that gets beat out by at least 4 of the Sabres prospects, then if the Sabres decide they dont want a d group with the average age of 22, he gets beat out by any UFA, then he sits in their system for a couple of years, never gets a shot in the nhl and is at best thrown away for a 3rd. Thats some negative value
13 oct à 15 h 16
#28
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres trade away their franchise center, for a dman, that gets beat out by at least 4 of the Sabres prospects, then if the Sabres decide they dont want a d group with the average age of 22, he gets beat out by any UFA, then he sits in their system for a couple of years, never gets a shot in the nhl and is at best thrown away for a 3rd. Thats some negative value


Lol what???
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13 oct à 15 h 23
#29
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lol what???


They are just practicing for gymnastics at the Olympics.
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13 oct à 15 h 24
#30
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lol what???

Quoting: Klara
They are just practicing for gymnastics at the Olympics.


Dahlin Power Samuelsson and Jokiharju beat him out
so in your best case scenario, theyre trading for a 3rd pair dman.
13 oct à 15 h 35
#31
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Dahlin Power Samuelsson and Jokiharju beat him out
so in your best case scenario, theyre trading for a 3rd pair dman.


You really dont get this...

This is not about Buffalo, this is about how San Jose is mortgaging their future to capstrap thems3lv3s and still finish bottom 10 in the league
13 oct à 15 h 51
#32
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You really dont get this...

This is not about Buffalo, this is about how San Jose is mortgaging their future to capstrap thems3lv3s and still finish bottom 10 in the league

Was this not just your argument 30 minutes ago?:
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Just because you specifically dont want defense doesnt make them worthless

This is the point im arguing. The Sabres have no place for them, so for Buffalo, it does not add value to the trade. But since you asked: The worst thing in this trade for San Jose is the unprotected 1st, Eichel is a large upgrade over Bordeleau, Bryson is an NHLer now and has as much potential as Merkley if not more and better stats in his professional career and was drafted only a year prior to Merkley. So the cost to significantly upgrade both prospects into young NHLers is Hertl and an unprotected first
 
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