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Trade for Vitali Kravtsov

Créé par: MrDinkiee
Date de création initiale: 12 oct. 2021
Publié: 12 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
NYR
  1. 2023 2e round pick (TOR)
  2. 2022 2e round pick (TOR)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
Enfoui
  • Pierre Engvall: 125 000 $ (1 250 000 $)
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $80 438 116 $0 $1 250 000 $1 061 884 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Ritchie, Nick
2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 3
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Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
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Bunting, Michael
950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
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Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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Kase, Ondrej
1 250 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Spezza, Jason
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Kravtsov, Vitali
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
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UFA - 1
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
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UFA - 3
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Mrázek, Petr
3 800 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 3
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
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Mikheyev, Ilya
1 645 000 $
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12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 39
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Kravstov doesn't have that kind of value. Playing him in a 4th line role, 4 points in 20 games last season with bad underlying numbers. He's a gamble to even make the NHL at this point.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 39
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2 x 2nd to put him on the 4th.... Leafs don't need him.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 45
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Maybe a single second rounder would make it work. Personally, would be interested to see the Kravtsov - Fiala line, but he did not impress me back in Traktor to spend a second rounder for him.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 46
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Quoting: Byrr
Kravstov doesn't have that kind of value. Playing him in a 4th line role, 4 points in 20 games last season with bad underlying numbers. He's a gamble to even make the NHL at this point.


Leafs are a good team get players going
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 47
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Leafs are a good team get players going


Shown clearly by our inability to graduate players from the AHL to the NHL in the Dubas era.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 50
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Shown clearly by our inability to graduate players from the AHL to the NHL in the Dubas era.


Galchenyuk? Put him next to Tavares and Nylander
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 54
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No
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 54
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No


Cute but hes now in the same boat Lias Andersson was. The comparable for the upcoming trade will be 1 2nd from late in the round.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 55
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Cute but hes now in the same boat Lias Andersson was. The comparable for the upcoming trade will be 1 2nd from late in the round.


Andersson blew his "chance", Kravtsov hasn't had one yet
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 56
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Andersson blew his "chance", Kravtsov hasn't had one yet


He had 20 games last season and blew it, then failed to even make the team this season. He's in the same boat as Andersson. You won't like the upcoming return.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 57
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Cute but hes now in the same boat Lias Andersson was. The comparable for the upcoming trade will be 1 2nd from late in the round.


You don't see the potential in this guy?

12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 57
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He had 20 games last season and blew it, then failed to even make the team this season. He's in the same boat as Andersson. You won't like the upcoming return.


He's only 21 and look at how long Liljegren took to develop
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12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 58
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Shown clearly by our inability to graduate players from the AHL to the NHL in the Dubas era.


LMFAO
Who was he supposed to call up. You can thank Mark Hunter for that.
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0039912019.html 2018 Marlies
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0039912020.html 2019 Marlies
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0039912021.html 2020 Marlies

Next year is when you can expect the players drafted under Dubas to start pushing for spots in this lineup.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 58
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You don't see the potential in this guy?



I see the other 16 games in which he failed to do anything at all and the underlying numbers which show he failed to influence play.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 59
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Andersson blew his "chance", Kravtsov hasn't had one yet


A second rounder is probably very good for him. I did not like his game in Russia and IMO his price might just drop dramatically over the years. He s just too “soft”, Gusev like player.

But if you want to take a high risk gamble, it might work out provided that he explicitly does what coaches want from him. Probably, that second rounder does nothing for the organization.

P.S. I would just loan him for another year to play in the top 6 in the KHL. Think it would be beneficial for him.
12 oct. 2021 à 11 h 59
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LMFAO
Who was he supposed to call up. You can thank Mark Hunter for that.
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0039912019.html 2018 Marlies
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0039912020.html 2019 Marlies
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0039912021.html 2020 Marlies

Next year is when you can expect the players drafted under Dubas to start pushing for spots in this lineup.


'3 seasons later isn't enough but the 4th year will make all the difference.'

Good luck with that.
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 3
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'3 seasons later isn't enough but the 4th year will make all the difference.'

Good luck with that.


Robertson, Gogolev, Abramov, SDS, Anderson, McKenna, Ho-Sang, Holmberg, Hirvonen, Niemela, Rubins, Menell, Duszak, Kokkonen

We will
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 4
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Robertson, Gogolev, Abramov, SDS, Anderson, McKenna, Ho-Sang, Holmberg, Hirvonen, Niemela, Rubins, Menell, Duszak, Kokkonen

We will


I've got some bad news for you. None of them will make the team next season. Hell, I'm not even sure why you bothered to include most the names. The only ones with any chance in hell is Robertson and Ho-Sang. You even managed to skip Kral who would probably be #3 on that list.
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 7
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I've got some bad news for you. None of them will make the team next season. Hell, I'm not even sure why you bothered to include most the names. The only ones with any chance in hell is Robertson and Ho-Sang.


LOL that's all you need, a few guys every year to push. Are you sure your a Leaf fan?
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 15
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LOL that's all you need, a few guys every year to push. Are you sure your a Leaf fan?


A Leafs fan who tries to keep a realistic expectation of our prospects. A rarity around here.
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 18
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He had 20 games last season and blew it, then failed to even make the team this season. He's in the same boat as Andersson. You won't like the upcoming return.


20 games on the 4th line with no PP time is not a chance
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 18
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A Leafs fan who tries to keep a realistic expectation of our prospects. A rarity around here.


Scott Wheeler has the Leafs as the 13th best farm system for 2021 and Dobber Prospects has them 16th. And if you wanna go on the high end Byron Bader has them 5th overall (https://twitter.com/byronmbader/status/1421117051733610496?s=21 ) All very respected people/sites, happy to meet in the middle and say they are in the top 15.

So am I. Dubas and Ryan Hardy will continue to build this system.
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 20
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20 games on the 4th line with no PP time is not a chance


Today I learned everyone needs to be given PP time. Look, this guy didn't move up the lineup because he wasn't very good. He didn't even make the team this season, a team that shouldn't be very hard to make on the depth lines, because he wasn't very good. That's what Kravtsov is right now. The guy who failed to make an easy team to make.
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 29
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Today I learned everyone needs to be given PP time. Look, this guy didn't move up the lineup because he wasn't very good. He didn't even make the team this season, a team that shouldn't be very hard to make on the depth lines, because he wasn't very good. That's what Kravtsov is right now. The guy who failed to make an easy team to make.


Hes not a depth player though, hes a actual top 6 talent and anything less than that kind of ice time is just a waste of his abilities
12 oct. 2021 à 12 h 30
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Hes not a depth player though, hes a actual top 6 talent and anything less than that kind of ice time is just a waste of his talent


If he was actually a top 6 talent, he would excel on depth lines against weaker competition.
 
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