Ottawa declines.

I didn't know Keith Tkachuk was on CapFriendly under the name of "Mr. Dinkiee". Brady for 8m X 3? In what world is Brady Tkachuk worth 10% more than Vancouver's 7.33 X 3 Pettersson.

Leafs say no. Sens would need to add significantly. Marner is a player who's been close to the top of scoring for a few seasons now. Tkachuk's headline is that he scored 22 goals once.

bUt He DoEs MoRe ThAn JuSt ScOrE
tHaTs NoT hIs GaMe, ThAtS nOt HoW hE pLaY.

I can’t believe there’s actually people who think this isn’t enough from the Leafs.

MrDinkiee,

You never fail to give me another reason to add you to my ignore list.

This trade is so very bad.

I will counter with Kerfoot for Brown.

Sincerely, ZachHymanForTheHart

And then minutes later Pierre Dorion gets fired.

I beg to differ.


1. I'd rather have Brady signed to what his brother Matthew has than take on Marner.

2. Marner's contract has too much signing bonus money.

3. Marner has a NMC for the final 2 years of his contract.


If Pierre Dorion made this trade, he would be fired.

Leafs counter with mikheyev for batherson

Its not good for Toronto

Tkachuk is good but rn I think what were seeing is his best.

Marner though has been getting better and better and will probs have 100+ points this season.

Probably but they definitely shouldn't. These guys are in different worlds when it comes to level of play

1. I'm not sure if you are saying B.Tkachuk at 7 mil is a good contract or not, but still. I get he does a lot of good things besides score, still, Landeskog just signed to 7mil, he plays a similar power forward type game to Tkachuk, maybe not as physical but many similar attributes, big body, moves pretty well, great off the cycle. Tkachuk has the potential of one day becoming the player Landeskog (big maybe) is but he's not there yet. I don't think 3.9mil in salary makes up for the value difference between Marner and Tkachuk.

2. True, but assuming this trade is made after this year, Marners total salary is around 8 mil for 24 mil in total for the remaining 3 years, he would've already been paid 41 million dollars of 65 million dollars he's owed. Even though the signing bonus is so large you are still paying him less the his cap hit and what he is worth.

3. Also true, but by the time Marner reaches his final two years of his contract I expect Ottawa will be a playoff team. You wouldn't move your best player anyway when you are competing for the playoffs.

You've made 2 pretty good points, but salary, signing bonus, NMC, etc. aside the value difference between Marner and Tkachuk is too big to be made up through all these technicalities, Marners value hasn't dropped off that much over one poor playoff performance. Tkachuk is a great complimentary player type and will be a very good player in this league, but he cannot drive his own line and produce like Marner can. The Dorion reference was simply just sarcasm, Dubas never in a million years would offer Marner for Tkachuk, so really this arguement is pointless.

You forget that Marner plays with Tavares or Matthews and Brady doesn’t.

You're right that they are in different worlds and Ottawa would probably decline.


1. Brady Tkachuk gets to play with Josh Norris while Mitch Marner gets to play with Auston Matthews.

2. Mitch Marner's contract is made up entirely of signing bonuses and you can't trade him during the final 2 years of it.

3. Toronto runs rampant during the regular season before fizzling out in the playoffs while Ottawa is only beginning to emerge from a rebuild.

4. Ottawa is better off with giving an exact copy of Matthew Tkachuk's contract to Brady than taking on Marner's.



These different worlds should be taken into account before making this random, lazy and unimaginative trade between two division rivals.

Marner gets to play on a playoff team with Auston Matthews while Tkachuk gets to play on a rebuilding team with Josh Norris.

That really needs to be taken into account here.

But unfortunately, there are some in the comments that don't even think that matters.

Still, would you rather have Brady driving his own line or Marner? And do you think the leafs would rather Tkachuk with Matthews or Tavares, or Marner with either of those two?

Even without playing with those 2 Marner put up 65 points his debut year then 78 points the following year playing with Bozak.

In general we could say that about a lot of wings today

I agree that needs to be taken into account, but Marner played on Tavares line for one full year and he had a career year. Then he took Matthews from 0.52 GPG with Nylander to 0.72 GPG with Marner. I understand some of that has to do with Matthews growing as a player and maturing but that's too significant not to ignore.

I think he’s a 70-75pt winger on his own. And I think Tkachuk is a 60pt player starting this season if he plays. With those differences , Tkachuk brings intangibles

This is like those sabres fans last year who thought Eichel was better than Matthews because he had no one to play with. Of course that needs to be taken into account, but it's not the only thing that matters. Marner is still worth more than Tkachuk.

Possibly, I personally think Marner is around a PPG under those conditions, he had 78 with Bozak when he was a sophomore. Brady very well could take that next step production wise but again it’s all speculation and your guess is as good as mine. Brady does bring those physical intangibles but Marner isn’t just purely an offensive specialist he also bring other intangibles. I think the value disparity is too large to be made up through other factors but let’s be honest, this trade involving these 2 is never going to happen.

This is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen, which is saying something because this site is full of bad takes. Tkachuk has had half a season playing on a line with someone that deserves to be on the top line (Mark Stone for part of his rookie season), and has been on our top line since he was drafted. He’s barely 22 so saying that he’s peaked is pure garbage, as he has some of the best play-driving analytics in the league, he’s a VERY high event player, and a leader on and off the ice. When he gets surrounded by talent (starting with Norris, Batherson, and Stutzle continuing to grow and develop into legitimate top 6 players, which has arguably happened for the first two, however I think they have more to give), his numbers are liable to explode. Jamie Benn is the last guy with Tkachuk’s on ice impact as a physical power forward that shoots a lot, and he won the Art Ross (and came 2nd the next year) when he hit his prime and got a player like Seguin to play with. I’m not saying Tkachuk is gonna win the Art Ross in 5 or 6 years, but he’s far more likely to be in that conversation (particularly if Norris, Pinto, or Stutzle develop into an elite centre, or we win the Eichel sweepstakes or something), than to go the rest of his career without topping 45 points. To suggest he’s already at his best is foolish when all of the numbers and all of the eye test evaluations suggest he’s just waiting to explode.

Marner has outscored Matthews and JT. While I agree the difference between Norris and Matthews is huge, the difference between Marner and Tkachuk is also bigger than you'll admit. Marner was outscoring what he's done while playing with Kadri and Marleau in same age seasons. He was one of the highest scoring players in the 2nd half of his 2nd season playing with those two guys. Not scrubs but no better than Norris.

Ottawa would have to add 2 first rounders and a top prospect in that crappy deal. On a scale if Marner is a 10/10 then Tkachuk is a 6/10 and l might be being generous.

Mitch Marner's contract is made up entirely of signing bonuses and you can't trade him during the final 2 years of it.

Ottawa is better off with giving an exact copy of Matthew Tkachuk's contract to Brady than taking on Marner's.

Scoring is just one component that makes up the quality of a hockey player.



Also, Mitch Marner's contract is made up entirely of signing bonuses and you can't trade him during the final 2 years of it.

Ottawa is better off with giving an exact copy of Matthew Tkachuk's contract to Brady than taking on Marner's.