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Ok Fine An Eichel Trade

Créé par: dopplsan
Équipe: 2021-22 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 11 oct. 2021
Publié: 11 oct. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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BUF fans, I know (and understand), you guys are asking for more; But, if I'm CBJ, or most any teams on the market for him right now, I'm only picking up Eichel if/when his price comes down. He's an astounding player, but he'd be out for this year due to the procedure, still have some level of uncertainty/ injury concern on his return (to say nothing of the fact he'd likely be almost two years without playing a hockey game by the time he returns), and $10M cap hit. For as good as Eichel is, that is a lot to take on.

- The 2022 1st is off the table, at least not without protections. I'd been toying with the 2022 2nd becoming a 1st if CBJ make the playoffs.
- Domi and Nyquist are added largely as future trade pieces for BUF, ergo the large retention from CBJ. Hard to be a TDL team and pass up Domi or Nyquist for literal pennies on the dollar, if BUF is willing to retain additional salary.
- Korpi is added because, well, looks like you guys could use bodies in front of the net. Again, TDL fodder if you like.
- Foudy, Tex, and Voronkov are all young, controllable talent - long term pieces. CBJ already have a bit of a logjam at F in the coming years, so this allows them to clear out room.
- I added Hayden because we need someone to cover some fourth line minutes - particularly looking for size. If there are any other nominal players/ bad contracts worth dumping from BUF's side (not including Skinner), I'm open.

Looking for some constructive feedback here!
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  4. Nyquist, Gustav (2 750 000 $ retained)
  5. Texier, Alexandre
  6. Voronkov, Dmitri
  7. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CHI)
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11 oct. 2021 à 14 h 25
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One of chinakov or boqvist has to be included along with more
11 oct. 2021 à 14 h 34
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People on this site don't know what constructive feedback is unfortunately. Lots of miserable keyboard warriors on here...

That being said, I think it's a good start, but I doubt Buffalo accepts both Domi AND Nyquist. Domi's value is at an all time low and they'd probably not be able to flip him for much.

I think Buffalo would probably want one of Sillinger (replacing their hole at center) or Marchenko (for his potential future star power).

EDIT: but I don't see a world where Columbus trades Chinakhov for Eichel, like others have suggested. It's not worth the risk to trade such a highly rated prospect for a question mark like Eichel.
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Quoting: MauriceRichard1028
People on this site don't know what constructive feedback is unfortunately. Lots of miserable keyboard warriors on here...

That being said, I think it's a good start, but I doubt Buffalo accepts both Domi AND Nyquist. Domi's value is at an all time low and they'd probably not be able to flip him for much.

I think Buffalo would probably want one of Sillinger (replacing their hole at center) or Marchenko (for his potential future star power).

EDIT: but I don't see a world where Columbus trades Chinakhov for Eichel, like others have suggested. It's not worth the risk to trade such a highly rated prospect for a question mark like Eichel.


Quoting: mauston_atthews
One of chinakov or boqvist has to be included along with more


Sillinger won't be traded. Marchenko or Chinakhov is a maybe. Boqvist would be, but if he's moved we would be empty at RD, if anything.

And yeah, Domi and/or Nyquist is up to BUF.

All told, as I said in the description, I don't think CBJ make a trade unless/until the price comes down. If someone else out there is willing to give BUF the treasure trove they want right now, mazel tov. I don't see Eichel as a necessary piece to the team's future success - it's more an opportunistic move if it comes to fruition.

Laine (if he's still around) - Eichel - Voracek
Johnson - Sillinger - Bjorkstrand
Marchenko - Roslovic - Chinakhov
Robinson - Kuraly - Jenner

Could be a fun group.
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11 oct. 2021 à 22 h 29
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I'd want some sort of risk mitigation w/r/t Eichel's injury in the form of conditions on the picks or something similar.
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I'd want some sort of risk mitigation w/r/t Eichel's injury in the form of conditions on the picks or something similar.


Interesting point. What if something like,

“If Eichel fails to appear in at least 60% of CBJ 2023 games (49 total), including playoffs, the 2023 1st downgrades to a 2nd.”

Eh? Suggestions?
12 oct. 2021 à 9 h 33
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Let me begin, I watched three Sabre preseason games, the Jackets were the best team Buffalo played.
Second, that is a HUGE offer for Jack.
Voronkov, probably a bottom 6 forward removing him would not change the trade IMO.
Domi, ($2,500,000 retained) who knows what he will be, IMO he is added to balance the cap.
Foudy, probably a mid 6 forward, he could also be removed and not affect the trade.
Texier, best part of the trace top 6 center would challenge Mittelstadt and Cozens for ice time.
Korpisalo, ($1,400,000 retained) IDK how to value him, some one tell me, Buffalo could use him, maybe they do not as they want to be bad this year.
Nyquist, ($2,750,000 retained) a solid veteran center at half price. IMO he should not be included as the Jackets could use him to make the playoffs.
2022 1st round pick (CHI)
2022 2nd round pick (CBJ)
2023 1st round pick (CBJ) Make this condition on Jacks performance.

Alternatively:
Trim this down to 2 firsts, second, Domi (or Nyquist), and Texier, no retention and no conditions.
Buffalo takes the risk that Domi will rebound and resign.
Jackets takes the risk that Jack will play this year.
What if Buffalo were to add Miller what would the Jackets add to my suggestion?

Quoting: mauston_atthews
One of chinakov or boqvist has to be included along with more I think this is a good offer and Buffalo may accept.
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People on this site don't know what constructive feedback is ...OMW, I agree. I get people arguing with me when I will say "I AGREE".
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Sillinger won't be traded. ... Sure this is a good offer IMO.
Quoting: Viqsi
I'd want some sort of risk mitigation w/r/t Eichel's injury in the form of conditions on the picks or something similar.Sure!


Maybe other Sabre fans would disagree, but I would do back flips if this was the offer.
Nyquist could be flipped for additional picks to a team looking for 2B RW.
If Domi rebounded and resigned, Buffalo could move Cozens to wing.
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12 oct. 2021 à 10 h 22
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Let me begin, I watched three Sabre preseason games, the Jackets were the best team Buffalo played.
Second, that is a HUGE offer for Jack.
Voronkov, probably a bottom 6 forward removing him would not change the trade IMO.
Domi, ($2,500,000 retained) who knows what he will be, IMO he is added to balance the cap.
Foudy, probably a mid 6 forward, he could also be removed and not affect the trade.
Texier, best part of the trace top 6 center would challenge Mittelstadt and Cozens for ice time.
Korpisalo, ($1,400,000 retained) IDK how to value him, some one tell me, Buffalo could use him, maybe they do not as they want to be bad this year.
Nyquist, ($2,750,000 retained) a solid veteran center at half price. IMO he should not be included as the Jackets could use him to make the playoffs.
2022 1st round pick (CHI)
2022 2nd round pick (CBJ)
2023 1st round pick (CBJ) Make this condition on Jacks performance.

Alternatively:
Trim this down to 2 firsts, second, Domi (or Nyquist), and Texier, no retention and no conditions.
Buffalo takes the risk that Domi will rebound and resign.
Jackets takes the risk that Jack will play this year.
What if Buffalo were to add Miller what would the Jackets add to my suggestion?



Maybe other Sabre fans would disagree, but I would do back flips if this was the offer.
Nyquist could be flipped for additional picks to a team looking for 2B RW.
If Domi rebounded and resigned, Buffalo could move Cozens to wing.


From CBJ's perspective:

Voronkov - A very large middle-6 forward who plays a game very similar to Jenner, who just signed a 4-year extension. I'm high on his potential; but, were we to acquire Eichel, I just think he'd be someone who would be pushed out of playing time;
Foudy - A very *fast* middle-6 forward. He's done the work at the AHL, but he's had trouble cracking the NHL lineup, since the battle for good playing time boiled down to a competition between him and Bemstrom. I just think he needs to go to a team like BUF, who has plenty of F space and will allow him the opportunity. Again, if CBJ were to acquire Eichel, it would just push his playing time down even more - there just wouldn't be space for him, since I would foresee guys like Johnson going from C to W.
Domi - He doesn't have a future with CBJ anyway. Whether it's this trade or another, doubt he finishes the year with the team;
Texier - Has been too inconsistent. Flashes promise of a top-6 forward. I have a feeling he would do quite well in a non-Torts system where he is allowed to make mistakes and mature. Torts was far too quick to yank the leash if a player made a mistake. Again, with Eichel and the incoming talent a year from now, I think he'd be squeezed out.
Korpisalo - See Domi.
Nyquist - Big fan of his game. Not a flashy player, but doesn't make mistakes. With CBJ rebuilding, the timelines just don't match up - he's an older guy who should contribute to a competing team.

Salary cap isn't an issue. CBJ have plenty of space this year and next. The retention is simply to sweeten the pot for BUF. Like I said, imagine what a TDL team would pay to get Domi or Nyquist for, what, less than $2M cap hit? Similar to what CBJ pulled last year with Foligno and Savard...and that turned into two 1sts.

As to Miller, we'd take him. Not sure I like him enough to add to the package, particularly since he is a rental, but if BUF wants to simply move on from him, CBJ could use some RD.

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but I really don't put weight in the pre-season. Five years ago, Saad-Johansen-Foligno scored something like a combined 30 points in the pre-season and were looking to be one of the best F lines in the league. That team started 0-7 and finished with the fourth worst record in the league.

Obviously, if Eichel is acquired, it'll be on the condition that he gets his procedure. Considering where CBJ are right now, and the fact Eichel's procedure has never been performed on an active NHL player, I allot him all the time he needs to recover and assume he is out for the season. If he can return in time for the end of the season, great, but I'm not planning on that. 2023 would be his expected return and, yes, I'd put some protection on the 2023 pick in regards to Eichel's playing time/ performance.
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From CBJ's perspective:..
Great comment, I rarely receive such a detailed reply to my posts.
You are correct preseason does not translate to the NHL, but the Sabres were competitive in the other two games, and easily outclassed by the Jackets.
I also liked all of the moves the Jackets made in the off season.
Voracek simply over powered the Sabres.
Boqvist will be solid at RHD.
Jack may be enough to put the team over the top.
Many Sabre fans think they are going to get a a couple of firsts, and a prospect who has a ceiling as high as Jack's.
I think Buffalo will get a couple of decent prospects who have 2nd line futures who may jump to the top line occasionally, a couple of picks (maybe 2 firsts), a roster player who is added to balance the cap.
If Domi and Nyquist could rebound this trade is a huge return.

But to your comment, I understand you feel that Columbus is moving pieces that do not fit into the Jackets future, adding them only makes the trade more palatable to Sabre fans.
Let's presume that trade is made and Skinner, Domi and Nyquist all respond extremely well to the Granato system, this could be an interesting line up:
Skinner Domi Nyquist
Olofsson Mittelstadt Cozens
Bjork Thompson Hinostroza
Caggiula Girgensons Okposo.

I do not know enough to judge is Korpisalo could win some games when the team is playing poorly.

Again thank you for taking the time to respond.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Great comment, I rarely receive such a detailed reply to my posts.
You are correct preseason does not translate to the NHL, but the Sabres were competitive in the other two games, and easily outclassed by the Jackets.
I also liked all of the moves the Jackets made in the off season.
Voracek simply over powered the Sabres.
Boqvist will be solid at RHD.
Jack may be enough to put the team over the top.
Many Sabre fans think they are going to get a a couple of firsts, and a prospect who has a ceiling as high as Jack's.
I think Buffalo will get a couple of decent prospects who have 2nd line futures who may jump to the top line occasionally, a couple of picks (maybe 2 firsts), a roster player who is added to balance the cap.
If Domi and Nyquist could rebound this trade is a huge return.

But to your comment, I understand you feel that Columbus is moving pieces that do not fit into the Jackets future, adding them only makes the trade more palatable to Sabre fans.
Let's presume that trade is made and Skinner, Domi and Nyquist all respond extremely well to the Granato system, this could be an interesting line up:
Skinner Domi Nyquist
Olofsson Mittelstadt Cozens
Bjork Thompson Hinostroza
Caggiula Girgensons Okposo.

I do not know enough to judge is Korpisalo could win some games when the team is playing poorly.

Again thank you for taking the time to respond.


Exactly - guys like Foudy, Voronkov, Texier, etc. are great future pieces, but will just be excessive on a CBJ roster in a year or so. I'd project their next season roster as:

Laine* - Eichel - Voracek
Johnson - Sillinger - Bjorkstrand
Marchenko - Roslovic - Chinakhov
Jenner - Kuraly - Robinson

Could be a fun group.

The general rule with Korpi is the more playing time the better. He was great his rookie year when Bob was out due to injury. Was not great when he was Bob's backup. He was great (an All-Star) when Elvis was out due to injury, and when he had the net in the playoffs, but has been sub-par when splitting time with Elvis.

I think he is at the least a cheap G who could cover the net for the year. Doesn't look like BUF has much to offer at G.

*If we re-sign him. If not, give Bjorkstrand, Johnson, Marchenko, maybe Chinakhov an opportunity at the top-line, and shuffle Bemstrom into the mix. To say nothing of whoever we'd draft in 2022, in all likelihood in the Top-5/10, or which young guns develop in the system as is.
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