pls tell me what you are smoking so I can get some

Boston themselves think Vaakanainen is a bust and he fills no need for Buffalo, the other 2 are depth players at best. This isnt close

Not close on Eichel. And pretty sure Reilly is more important to the Bs than John Moore, not that CHI is interested in the slightest in Moore.

Grz is not a depth player lol

he is when hes behind Dahlin and Power and Samuelsson and etc

If you take away the draft position hype, not sure he’s playing behind dahlin….samuelsson? Are you kidding me?

2 1sts, 2 2nds a really good roster player guarantee thats more than buffalo gets back irl.

2.5 mil retention is costly.

behind dahlin sure that's just because he is their franchise player as for power he won't be playing top line minutes for atleast 2 years this yea he's at michigan and the transition from college to nhl ain't easy and then for samuelsson same thing he played decenlty but still not even close to ready for top line minutes. grzz would be your 2nd best dman next year

Both will be in the NHL next year and they arent trading Eichel for a stop gap dman in a year where they are tanking, whether its 1 or 2 years

Last season Grz at 5v5 was...

CF% - 60.3
SF% - 63.8
GF% - 69.9
xGF% - 60.9
SCF% - 59.8

That's one hell if a depth player

I wouldn’t mind Mike Rielly on the team but we’d need to send cap back because we’d go over the cap if not

Let me begin, using talent as the sole criteria this is a decent offer.
Let's be clear Grzelcyk is a fine LHD, he does not add any value to Buffalo as even the staunchest Bruin fan recognizes Buffalo has many LHD options.
Yes, he would be the second pairing for Buffalo, but Buffalo wants to be bad this year, and he would reduce the likelihood that Buffalo would be guaranteed a top 3 draft pick.

Asking for $2,500,000 for five years will kill nearly any offer.
Two years of Ladd's $5,500,000 contract cost the Islanders 2 seconds and a third.
Simple math indicates five years of $5,000,000 would be five seconds and 2 thirds.
One year of Marleau's $6,000,000 cost the Leaf's a first.
$20,000,000 retention has value, a conservative estimate is at least a first for each $10,000,000.
Any REASONABLE individual would know that the draft picks are just a little more than the value of the retention.
Let's remove the retention. Instead add a couple players from Boston who are not playing up to their contracts, DeBrusk and Moore.

Vaakanainen and Frederic are not the sort of prospects that are needed by Buffalo, LHD and a bottom 6 forward.
Replace them with Lysell (Buffalo could use another RW prospect).
Take out the 2023 2nd.
I think the deal is closer.

Two underperforming players added for cap reasons.
Two first and a second.
Decent RW prospect
If DeBrusk can make a comeback, Buffalo wins the trade, if last year is his standard, Boston wins the trade.



EDIT:
Let me add, this trade is replacing DeBrusk and some futures with Eichel.
IMO it is better for Boston than the one proposed.

Grzelcyk would be buffalos best LD, and very easily flippable.

Did you happen to miss this: If you take away the draft position hype, not sure he’s playing behind dahlin…I agree, see above why he does not fit the Buffalo roster at this time
Exactly how is that different than this comment?
Did you happen to read why, he does not fit at this time?
Did you READ any of my comment?
Did you think I was disagreeing with you?
What part of my comment would give you the impression that I did disagree with you?
Just to be clear, in case you did not understand this comment, I am being snarky!
What could be more clear than I agree?

Did you read mine? He’s easily flippable. You said he provides no value to buffalo. That’s stupid.

Great, he adds value which is exactly what the Sabre do not want.
Why are so myopic.
He would make the Sabres better which is the exact opposite of the plan.
I agreed with your statements, your reply was obtuse and irrelevant as you were defending your point that he is valuable to which I agreed.
Let me close, as you are also commenting on a different Bruins trade if Carlo ("They’re not going to get a more valuable piece than carlo. That’s how.") and Grzelcyk are so valuable, why did the Bruins not win the cup.
Hall, Pasternak, Bergeron, Marchand, McAvoy, Krejci, as the stars and a great supporting cast of Carlo and Grzelcyk et al they must have at gone to the finals.
No, you say they lost to the Islanders, for shame.
You are such a homer,
You even pick a fight with some one agreed with you, why not just say the truth.
Buffalo does not want players who will make this team better, they want picks and prospects.
Carlo and Grzelcyk make the Sabres better, so therefore they have no value on this team.

So do you just not understand what “flippable,” means?

I think you’ve gotta figure out that the four firsts picks aren’t coming.

No need to lash out again. Settle down little guy.

power will play at most like 15 games he commited to returning back to michigan for the year

It will be outright hilarious if power just plays out his eligibility at michigan and goes UFA.

? Next year

for this 2021-22 season power has committed to play at michigan he will not be playing for buffalo till college hockey is done

Right, thats this season, now. I said next season as in 22-23

Eichel also has a broken neck and may never be the same player with either surgery 10m is alot to take on not knowing wtf you are getting for a player in return, you could be getting the superstar at 25 years old still, you could be getting a guy whos ltiretired for the rest of his career and cant play hockey again. im assuming these picks are straight up but ide imagine any sort of eichel deal for any team has conditional 1sts that become way lesser picks if he doesnt hit GP or Point thresholds after surgery. I really dont see many teams offering more than 2 firsts 2 seconds and a roster player. regardless of retention or whatnot. Im sure they can make the cap work for a deal using any plethora of guys.

idc if buffalo goes 0-82 grz is still a valuable piece in any deal. hes a better dman all around than colin miller and buffalo gave up a 2nd and a 5th for him iirc. For those that are down on vaak and freddy. Freddy is a high intensity grit 4th liner atm might become a 3rd if he develops but probably only a 4th liner, that being said hes still an nhl player at 23 yo, not like this is what he is for the rest of his career. Vaak looked great until his concussion a few years ago, some guys take longer to recover, hes taking a bit longer to get his groove back. Hes only 22 and still believe he has high enough upside there.

I guess you did not notice that I objected to the retention and what that much retention will cost.
Nor did you notice the I agreed that Grzelcyk is a valuable asset.
I wonder why you chose to ignore my alternative trade, I am responding to your comment, you are obviously not responding to mine.