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Forsberg

Créé par: LeonTheRealDeal
Date de création initiale: 4 oct. 2021
Publié: 4 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Predators de Nashville
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NSH
    ANA
    1. Benning, Matthew
    Détails additionnels:
    waivers
    2.
    NSH
    1. Gaudreau, Johnny
    2. 2022 1e round pick (CGY)
    CGY
    1. Forsberg, Filip
    2. 2022 2e round pick (NSH)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Kyle Turris: 2 000 000 $
    • Steven Santini: 275 000 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2022
    NSH
    CGY
    NSH
    LAK
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    2023
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    2024
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    NSH
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $70 851 976 $0 $982 500 $10 648 024 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    CGY
    Gaudreau, Johnny
    6 750 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NSH
    Duchene, Matt
    8 000 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 5
    NSH
    Johansen, Ryan
    8 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 4
    NSH
    Tolvanen, Eeli
    1 450 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 3
    NSH
    Granlund, Mikael
    5 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 4
    NSH
    Kunin, Luke
    2 300 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    NSH
    Jeannot, Tanner
    800 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    NSH
    Glass, Cody
    863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    NSH
    Afanasyev, Egor
    789 167 $
    C
    RFA - 3
    NSH
    Cousins, Nick
    1 500 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    NSH
    Trenin, Yakov
    725 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 1
    NSH
    Sissons, Colton
    2 857 143 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 5
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    NSH
    Josi, Roman
    9 059 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    NSH
    Myers, Philippe
    2 550 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    NSH
    Saros, Juuse
    5 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 4
    NSH
    Ekholm, Mattias
    3 750 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    NSH
    Carrier, Alexandre
    733 333 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    NSH
    Rittich, David
    1 250 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    NSH
    Harpur, Ben
    800 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    NSH
    Fabbro, Dante
    2 400 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    NSH
    Grimaldi, Rocco
    2 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    NSH
    Borowiecki, Mark
    2 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1

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    4 oct. 2021 à 9 h 48
    #1
    Lenny7
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    Gaudreau > Forsberg.
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    4 oct. 2021 à 10 h 33
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Gaudreau > Forsberg.


    I would take Forsberg over Gaudreau.
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    4 oct. 2021 à 10 h 44
    #3
    Lenny7
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    Quoting: CD282
    I would take Forsberg over Gaudreau.


    That would be an odd choice. I'm not sure what could possibly make the difference a 1st round pick coming from a team that wasn't a playoff team last year, and likely won't be this year.
    4 oct. 2021 à 10 h 58
    #4
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    That would be an odd choice. I'm not sure what could possibly make the difference a 1st round pick coming from a team that wasn't a playoff team last year, and likely won't be this year.

    Oh please, Calgary is a better team than Nashville. Just didn't make the playoffs the teams in the North division was good.
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    4 oct. 2021 à 10 h 59
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    Quoting: LeonTheRealDeal
    Oh please, Calgary is a better team than Nashville. Just didn't make the playoffs the teams in the North division was good.


    Lindholm is almost just as good as Gaudreau while Forsberg is carrying their offense since Johansen and Duchene are not even close to being as good as Forsberg
    4 oct. 2021 à 11 h 16
    #6
    Lenny7
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    Quoting: LeonTheRealDeal
    Oh please, Calgary is a better team than Nashville. Just didn't make the playoffs the teams in the North division was good.


    Nashville made the playoffs in a much tougher division...
    4 oct. 2021 à 11 h 53
    #7
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Nashville made the playoffs in a much tougher division...

    But look at the offense and Dallas didn't have Seguin or Radulov and Chicago didn't have Toews and Nashville had no problem beating them (except for the comeback win for Chicago)
    Let's also look at point totals, Forsberg put up 32 points while only playing 39 games. Gaudreau has 49 in 56. Not saying Gaudreau is bad, Forsberg is better
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    4 oct. 2021 à 11 h 55
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    Quoting: LeonTheRealDeal
    But look at the offense and Dallas didn't have Seguin or Radulov and Chicago didn't have Toews and Nashville had no problem beating them (except for the comeback win for Chicago)
    Let's also look at point totals, Forsberg put up 32 points while only playing 39 games. Gaudreau has 49 in 56. Not saying Gaudreau is bad, Forsberg is better
    4 oct. 2021 à 12 h 3
    #9
    Lenny7
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    Quoting: LeonTheRealDeal
    But look at the offense and Dallas didn't have Seguin or Radulov and Chicago didn't have Toews and Nashville had no problem beating them (except for the comeback win for Chicago)
    Let's also look at point totals, Forsberg put up 32 points while only playing 39 games. Gaudreau has 49 in 56. Not saying Gaudreau is bad, Forsberg is better


    ...and Ottawa sucked, the Canucks got Covid, yadda, yadda, yadda. Aside from certain fans of certain Canadian teams saying otherwise, the consensus last year was the Canadian division was the worst of the 4 divisions.

    As for point totals:

    32/39 (82)=67 pt pace over 82 games.
    49/56 (82)=72 pt pace over 82 games.

    Even if we were to say that Forberg > Gaudreau (Which I think is a stretch, but sure, let's go with it), the difference is absolutely not a 1st.
    4 oct. 2021 à 12 h 57
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    Quoting: CD282
    I would take Forsberg over Gaudreau.


    You and OP are Oilers fans so obviously you think that
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    4 oct. 2021 à 13 h 23
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    You and OP are Oilers fans so obviously you think that


    No, it's got nothing to do with being an Oilers fan. I like Gaudreau well enough, I just like Forsberg better. He's scored more goals and points (/60) at 5v5 over the past 2 years with less help and he's better able to withstand physical playoff hockey just due to his greater size and strength.

    In any case I don't know why either team would do this - if they are both deadline sellers neither will be interested in a rental. So the trade makes no sense, I was just commenting on which player I'd rather have.
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    4 oct. 2021 à 13 h 38
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    Quoting: CD282
    No, it's got nothing to do with being an Oilers fan. I like Gaudreau well enough, I just like Forsberg better. He's scored more goals and points (/60) at 5v5 over the past 2 years with less help and he's better able to withstand physical playoff hockey just due to his greater size and strength.

    In any case I don't know why either team would do this - if they are both deadline sellers neither will be interested in a rental. So the trade makes no sense, I was just commenting on which player I'd rather have.


    Is it really less help though? Gaudreau played nearly the entire season with an AHL plug and a broken Monahan. I also wouldn't say he is more suited for playoff hockey with his injury history being a pretty big factor.

    You are correct though that the trade makes zero sense
    4 oct. 2021 à 13 h 45
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    ...and Ottawa sucked, the Canucks got Covid, yadda, yadda, yadda. Aside from certain fans of certain Canadian teams saying otherwise, the consensus last year was the Canadian division was the worst of the 4 divisions.

    As for point totals:

    32/39 (82)=67 pt pace over 82 games.
    49/56 (82)=72 pt pace over 82 games.

    Even if we were to say that Forberg > Gaudreau (Which I think is a stretch, but sure, let's go with it), the difference is absolutely not a 1st.


    Still got back a 2nd
    4 oct. 2021 à 14 h 4
    #14
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    Quoting: LeonTheRealDeal
    Still got back a 2nd


    The difference between the two is absolutely not the difference between a 1st and 2nd. They're both rentals, and the deal makes no sense.
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    4 oct. 2021 à 14 h 6
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    4 oct. 2021 à 14 h 18
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Is it really less help though?

    Yes, Forsberg's IPP was higher for the two years I looked at.
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    4 oct. 2021 à 23 h 40
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    What’s Fabbros value?
    5 oct. 2021 à 10 h 32
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    What’s Fabbros value?


    No Idea maybe a 4th or a 3rd max?
    Dunno if NSH is interested trading him
     
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