leafs say yes, but thats not good value for you

Holy overpay by every team except the Ducks.

No need for Manson in Tampa at anywhere near that price now that we have Bogo back.

de haan is better than a cap dump

Take out a first with edmonton and you got a deal

there is no way gibson gets traded without a 1st coming back

Feel like youre overvaluing alot of your players haha

which ones? be specific

Gibson and Fowler for sure

how come?

I traded Gibson for Koskinen (Cap dump), broberg (top-prospect), Lavoie (Ok-prospect) and a 1st, and also a later pick for Getzlaf in the same deal
Fowler is easily the best defenseman on the ducks, he holds at least two 1sts in value, so Lysell and a 1st, rest are kinda for cap purposes

Lysell is a High end prospect, another 1st on top of that along with Debrusk who is not a bad middle 6 forward whose young along with Vaakanainen who is a 22 year old former first rounder.

Secondly Gibson isnt the same as he was a few years back. The oilers dont need to dump Koskenin when he is in the Final year of his deal hes not worth their recent TOP 10 pick, Lavoie a good prospecta first and Another First ????? Getzlaf is not worth that much as a add in at all

Getzlaf = i think i added in like a 4th or something, thats for getzlaf
Gibson = Koskinen, Broberg, Lavoie and a 1st

How is that bad??

Gibson is a cap dump. You aren't getting any of these assets from Edmonton for him.

Looking at the past 2 seasons Gibson is no better than Koskinen and he has a MUCH bigger contract ($38.4M owed vs $4.5M for Koskinen), so there's no reason for Edmonton to make that trade 1-for-1 as they aren't in the business of taking cap dumps. Try Detroit or Arizona.

"Cap Dump"

Gibson is miles better than Koskinen LMAO, you have no idea what you are talking about

You should look at his stats. He was elite at one point, but he hasn't been that guy for over 2 years now. Do you not pay attention to the West at all? Gibson is a below average goalie with a HUGE contract, that makes him a cap dump. It's pretty simple.

Gibson is playing behind an awful defense, of course he is gonna do bad. If you put him on almost any other team he will be just fine. He is not a cap dump, ask anyone else on this site and they will agree with me

Group think doesn't cut it for me. I look at the facts and make my own decisions.


That's simply not true though. The Ducks were good BECAUSE Gibson was good, now that he's not, they're not. The Ducks defense hasn't been much worse than the Oilers defense over the past 2 years, the Oilers have been a better team because they have better offense and better goaltending.

Look at how many shots the Ducks gave up each year and compare it with Gibson's save percentage:

2017-18: 33.1 SA/GP (26th in the NHL), Gibson's sv% was .926
2018-19: 33.2 (25th), Gibson .917
2019-20: 32.1 (21st), Gibson .904
2020-21: 30.6 (19th), Gibson .903

Notice how the team tightened up the past 2 seasons, yet Gibson's sv% tanked? Yeah, don't blame the defense. He just isn't stopping pucks with the same frequency that he used to.

We could look at 5v5 SA/60 to see if this pattern holds true:

2017-18: 31.11, Gibson .929 SV%
2018-19: 31.21, Gibson .929
2019-20: 31.60, Gibson .914
2020-21: 29.60, Gibson .918

Or even 5v5 HDCA/60:

2017-18: 11.55, Gibson .841 HDSV%
2018-19: 12.30, Gibson .852
2019-20: 11.68, Gibson .818
2020-21: 11.33, Gibson .808

Similar pattern here: the team isn't giving up more shots or more high danger shots, Gibson is simply not stopping as many of them as he used to.

Now for your assertion that Gibson would do better behind Edmonton's incredible defense corps (lol), lets ignore the changes Holland made this summer that everyone seems to love (lol) and look at the past 2 years to see how these teams compare.

2019-20
EDM: 32.00 SA/GP, 31.00 5V5 SA/60, 10.72 HDCA/60
ANA: 32.10 SA/GP, 31.60 5V5 SA/60, 11.68 HDCA/60

2020-21
EDM: 30.70 SA/GP, 30.10 5V5 SA/60, 10.05 HDCA/60
ANA: 30.60 SA/GP, 29.60 5V5 SA/60, 11.33 HDCA/60

It's not as far apart as most people think, Edmonton goalies actually faced more shots per game and more 5v5 shots than Anaheim goalies did last season. The Oilers were able to cut down on the number of High Danger shots they gave up, but still weren't in the top-half of the league in this area.

I'd say your analysis is almost entirely made based on reputation and you haven't been paying attention to the facts these past 2.5 years. Here, I'll show you:

All situations save percentage
16-17: .924
17-18: .926
1st half 18-19: .924
2nd half 18-19: .906 - below average
19-20: .904 - below average
20-21: .903 - below average

nhl.com/player/john-gibson

If you think a below average goalie that makes $6.4M for 6 more years is anything BUT a cap dump, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah the stats definetly show Gibson isnt the same goalie he was, but he still a MASSIVE upgrade over your 50 year old goalies

Here's a comp between Gibson and Koskinen:

Past 2 years shots against/60
Gibson: 31.08
Koskinen: 32.70

Past 2 years 5v5 shots against/60
Gibson: 31.07
Koskinen: 32.34

Past 2 years 5v5 HD shots against/60
Gibson: 8.78
Koskinen: 8.50

So Koskinen faced more shots overall, more 5v5 shots and nearly as many 5v5 HD shots. Koskinen wasn't benefitting from a better defense, that's for sure. With that out of the way, lets look at how they performed:

Past 2 years save percentage
Gibson: .904
Koskinen: .910

Past 2 years 5v5 save percentage
Gibson: .916
Koskinen: .915

Past 2 years 5v5 HD save percentage
Gibson: .814
Koskinen: .833

I'm not seeing "miles better", are you? What I'm seeing is that Gibson has worse results than Koskinen despite a slightly lighter workload. And yet somehow you label Koskinen as a "cap dump" while asking for TWO high-end prospects + TWO 1st round picks for the worse player with a larger contract.

Koskinen just turned 33, I'm not sure what you think the issue is with that. And as I just pointed out, Gibson is a downgrade.

Past 2 years save percentage, contract remaining

Smith: .912, 2 years x $2.2M ($4.4M total)
Koskinen: .910, 1 years x $4.5M ($4.5M total)
Gibson: .904, 6 years x $6.4M ($38.4M total)

Lavoie isnt a high-end prospect and i asked for 1 first, not 2

You've got TWO 1st round picks + Broberg + Lavoie for a cap dump.