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Créé par: KentMcNally
Date de création initiale: 28 sept. 2021
Publié: 28 sept. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
I know Malkin is hurt right now, but hopefully he is back and playing well at the trade deadline. The $4.75M "retained" is pro rated salary that the Penguins will have already paid by the deadline. So the Penguins actually are not retaining money.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Malkin, Evgeni (4 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Rental trade deadline deal if Pittsburgh is somehow out of the playoff picture (or on the fringe) and Montreal is in the playoff picture. Malkin has a "handshake deal" with the Penguins to sign back with Pittsburgh after the season is over.
PIT
  1. Poehling, Ryan
  2. Norlinder, Mattias
  3. 2022 3e round pick (ANA)
2.
MTL
  1. 2024 7e round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. 2022 4e round pick (TBL)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
CAR
MTL
MTL
CAR
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
2024
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ARI
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 319 227 $597 561 $1 475 000 $180 773 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
4 750 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Hoffman, Mike
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 300 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Dea, Jean-Sébastien
750 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
MTL
Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
MTL
Wideman, Chris
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
MTL
Niku, Sami
750 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5

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28 sept. 2021 à 8 h 55
#1
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So, let me get this straight, as a Habs fan you would be ok with giving up one of out top 2 LHD prospects and a good middle 6 prospect plus a pick, all the while knowing that there is no chance of Malkin resigning with Montreal and we only get 3 months worth of him? IF Montreal were solidly in the playoffs at the deadline it would be because Poehling has stepped up and solidified the 3C position at that point why even make the trade? Malkin is good but if Poehling can help Montreal earn a playoff spot by the deadline I say we just keep rolling with him as he is younger and cheaper.
28 sept. 2021 à 8 h 59
#2
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Is this offer a joke? why on earth would the penguins make this trade? almost every other team in a playoff hunt could make a better offer for a HOF center that could easily put most teams over the edge to becoming true contenders. Pens would rather keep malkin and miss the playoffs than give him up for scraps.
28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 2
#3
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The Penguins dont jump at that offer, but secondly and most important, wouldn;t Byron be off LTIR by then and therefore the team is over the cap?
28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 4
#4
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Quoting: pensburgh571
Is this offer a joke? why on earth would the penguins make this trade? almost every other team in a playoff hunt could make a better offer for a HOF center that could easily put most teams over the edge to becoming true contenders. Pens would rather keep malkin and miss the playoffs than give him up for scraps.[/quote

i think you and Campabee should have a debate/steel cage death match and see who comes out on top. Very different opinions. Funny how people can have 2 different takes on the same transaction. I think you both make good points.
28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 6
#5
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Quoting: Hammerwise
The Penguins dont jump at that offer, but secondly and most important, wouldn;t Byron be off LTIR by then and therefore the team is over the cap?


I know.

I would refer the Paul Byron issue to the many other trades on this website that trade Byron to Arizona (or some other cap floor team looking for picks) for picks.
Hammerwise a aimé ceci.
28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 20
#6
Rejoint: juin 2018
Messages: 410
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Quoting: Campabee
So, let me get this straight, as a Habs fan you would be ok with giving up one of out top 2 LHD prospects and a good middle 6 prospect plus a pick, all the while knowing that there is no chance of Malkin resigning with Montreal and we only get 3 months worth of him? IF Montreal were solidly in the playoffs at the deadline it would be because Poehling has stepped up and solidified the 3C position at that point why even make the trade? Malkin is good but if Poehling can help Montreal earn a playoff spot by the deadline I say we just keep rolling with him as he is younger and cheaper.


1. phoning is bottom six at best
2. Malkin would be your n1 centre for the playoffs

you've never witnessed anything as good as Malkin trust me


as for the trade if we are out of playoff contention we might think about it but maybe adding an extra second or just make it a late 1st imo
28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 21
#7
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Quoting: KentMcNally
I know.

I would refer the Paul Byron issue to the many other trades on this website that trade Byron to Arizona (or some other cap floor team looking for picks) for picks.


Just not sure why it wasnt thrown in to validate the research on the retention on Malkin.

As far as the offer: if Poehling has shown he cant do it, it really lessens his value (that'll be twice hes been given a NHL spot and failed to deliver), but overall I think if Pitts is looking to move Malkin, they'll get far better offers elsewhere. And while I like Norlinder and think hes going to be a good NHLer, if hes still below Wideman and Kulak (and Niku) on the dpeth chart at that point, that lessens his value as well.
28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 33
#8
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Quoting: fil97
1. phoning is bottom six at best
2. Malkin would be your n1 centre for the playoffs

you've never witnessed anything as good as Malkin trust me


as for the trade if we are out of playoff contention we might think about it but maybe adding an extra second or just make it a late 1st imo


Malkin would never be the 1C for Montreal cause Suzuki is as good now and will be better longer.
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28 sept. 2021 à 9 h 53
#9
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Quoting: fil97
1. phoning is bottom six at best
2. Malkin would be your n1 centre for the playoffs

you've never witnessed anything as good as Malkin trust me

not completely true we witnessed him and crosby be unable to overcome a tantalizing Suzuki Danault duo lol

In all honesty this could be a solid move by the pens, whether it was this specific deal or another, but move malkin as a rental grab two solid near nhl ready prospects and then resign him in the offseason. I know its not something that happens in hockey but much more common in baseball and might help extend the pens window if they have in influx of young players coming up in the coming year or two.
Of course this would all only work if the pens were comfortable sacrificing one year as a wash, which they wouldnt do.

as for the trade if we are out of playoff contention we might think about it but maybe adding an extra second or just make it a late 1st imo
29 sept. 2021 à 6 h 35
#10
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Quoting: habs_need_Scoring




Quoting: Campabee
Malkin would never be the 1C for Montreal cause Suzuki is as good now and will be better longer.




as always people undervaluing geno.... we are used to it dw.



the play in round geno shouldn't have even played and it was the rest of the teams fault in a particular circumstance it doesn't even count

I love Suzuki but geno is on another planet obviously not Long term cuz geno will retire in 3 years more or less
29 sept. 2021 à 9 h 48
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Quoting: fil97
as always people undervaluing geno.... we are used to it dw.



the play in round geno shouldn't have even played and it was the rest of the teams fault in a particular circumstance it doesn't even count

I love Suzuki but geno is on another planet obviously not Long term cuz geno will retire in 3 years more or less


wasnt seriously comparing the two Geno one of the top players of the past decade of course hes he on a different level. But still think theres upside for the pens making a move like this if they grab two or three solid prospects and resign geno after the season then they are locked in for his final few seasons .
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29 sept. 2021 à 12 h 49
#12
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Quoting: habs_need_Scoring
wasnt seriously comparing the two Geno one of the top players of the past decade of course hes he on a different level. But still think theres upside for the pens making a move like this if they grab two or three solid prospects and resign geno after the season then they are locked in for his final few seasons .


I agree with that
 
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