No, Thank you. Don't need Koskinen 2.0

These are good imo, should try for a 3rd for quick. I think he is better than most people think.

No thanks, Byfield playing wing for the next 4 years because we spent $25M on centers makes zero sense. Also the team is financially tight for years when you need to have cap space to sign Bjornfoot, Kaliyev, Clarke, JAD, etc.

Almost none of them have to be paid before Kopitar deal is done and that's if they pan out or need big RFA contracts.

Also, Kopitar is done in 2 years not 4 and will be 38/39 when his deal is up

Also, just don't sign Rielly

Why on earth would Oilers want Quick?

Unless Andersson and Bjornfoot take big steps this season the Kings still need a top-4 LD, not sure if Reilly is my pick (maybe Ekholm or a similar player). The team also needs to continue addressing scoring wingers with playmakers like Kopitar, Danault, Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte coming up that is the area they will be prioritizing after addressing LD. I think the last area the Kings need to address presently is center, especially for a $10M center who is not fit to play and will cost 2 of the Kings best assets and an unprotected first.

Why spend $25M on centers when you have Byfield, Turcotte, and Vilardi pushing (this season) to get in the top-9 as centers?

Agreed, but you guys did sign Mike Smith and I don't know why on earth you wanted him.

Did you see Mike Smith's numbers? Thats why.

I think if there was still a north division, I'd somewhat agree, but Smith is 38 and back in the Pacific. Not sure I'd feel confident in him putting up similar numbers.

The Pacific is likely weaker than the North was. Also Smith is $2.2 mil to Quick's $5.8mil. Oilers better off to ride out 1 year of Koskinen than take that extra year with also an increased salary.

I've already agreed there is no reason for Edmonton to make the trade for Quick. Smith has spent the last 10 years in the Pacific and has proven to be on the decline in this division, if we are using last year's stats to indicate he has been good, why can't I use his past decline in the Pacific as evidence to my theory?

Didnt the North division make it to the Stanley Cup???

The Pacific will be a much much much weaker division besides Vegas.

Do you watch hockey?
North division had the highest goal total.

Look I like Mike Smith, he's a player who wears his heart on his sleeve, but similar to Quick he is aging and a lot of players have the book on him. This is the case I'm trying to present, he has been on the decline in the Pacific because a lot of older players have the book on him, I think if you are using evidence that he was good last season I can use evidence that he s been on the decline in the Pacific (similar to Quick). If you think he is going to put up 0.92+ numbers that's cool, but I think it's highly unlikely.

Who knows what he is going to put up. What is the book on him, nobody had the book on him last year.
Vancouver and Calgary are both in the Pacific and North division. Hope you know he redid himself before last off season goalie wise?

The Pacific is filled with a lot of older players who have spent the last decade playing against on Mike Smith, that's what I mean by book on him. They have spent time learning his weaknesses, how to unnerve him, and what plays he can shut down. I could be wrong, he could be Tim Thomas 2.0 and take you guys to the cup, but if I were to bet on it, I'd take him falling back to earth. You can insult me as a hockey fan as much as you like, it's just my opinion.

Not sure how you can say that right now. I cant find the stats on that right now.
Please post a link.
La, Calgary and Anaheim will be very young this year as well as the Oilers.
Last year oldest teams were
Washington
Toronto
Detroit

I think age averages might skew things, maybe the age of the top ATOI leaders might work best for this discussion.

For LA, SJ, Calgary (though questions about them), and Vegas I expect older players (with experience playing against Mike Smith) to take the most ATOI. I think you are correct in terms of Anaheim (Though they have Getzlaf I fully expect Zegras to take the 1C and have more ATOI, though expect older defensemen w/ exp against Smith to continue to eat the most minutes) and Vancouver (basically re-did the team and have a young core). What's curious is Calgary, do you know offhand how many starts (and how well he performed) Mike Smith was against them? Finally, Seattle is a big question mark.

But there are other factors that need to be addressed:

Defensive Upgrades: From the Oilers, I suppose you could argue that they got better defensively getting Keith and losing Larsson, but we really won't know until we see it in action. But that is a pro for both goalies
Age/Usage: Both Oilers goalies are well into their 30s and will be asked to split 82 games for the first time in nearly 3 years. That is a lot of miles for a 38 year old goaltender who will be expected not only to be healthy for half of the 82 games, but be ready to play another 20+ for a playoff run.

Koskinen last 3 years
55gp
38gp
26gp shortened season

Smith
42gp
39gp
32gp shortened season

All they have done is split time
Smith has been a starter for 4 or of 16 years approx.
Koskinen was a starter for 1 full year and has not played much hockey. 33 is not "well into their 30's"

Bottom line is if what you said is true, why would Oilers want Quick when "Quick he is aging and a lot of players have the book on him"??????????

I think that bottom line was answered when I started with "Agreed"

I'm so happy that all of these Eichel trades we keep seeing have absolutely no chance in reality.

Why would we pay twice as much for the negotiating rights to Reilly that Philadelphia paid for Kevin Hayes?

Smith turns 40 before the end of this season.

I'll go out on a limb here and predict that Smith doesn't reach his career average in save percentage this year.

I don't think that's going out on a limb. I'm predicting Smith plays at his 2-year average of .912 (incidentally also his career average) the season, so he'd only have to allow 1 more goal to make you right.

I'm also expecting Koskinen to play at his 2-year average this year, which is .910. If both guys can hold these performances, the Oilers will have above average goaltending: of the 62 goalies (2 per team, essentially) to play at least 13 games last year, .912 was 22nd place and .910 was 26th.

Its amazing to me how people on here think Koskinen is a cap dump but their guy has actual market value. Look at this:

In the past 2 years combined, Koskinen has a .910 sv% with a contract of $4.5M x 1.
In the past 2 years combined, Quick has a .902 sv% with a contract of $5.8M x 2.

Koskinen will take over the timeshare in Edmonton, in my opinion. But comparing these two players isn't exactly apples to apples. Quick is nearing the end of his contract and will end with 2 cups, Conn Smythe Trophy, Jennings Trophy, and several Vezina nods on his resume. He sure isn't the player he was, but you can't say he hasn't deserved his contracts. Is Quick the starter for the Kings, no, but he is likely to have his number retired as one of the best Kings goalies of all time? Absolutely.

He's still a cap dump. He dropped off a cliff after 2017-18 and won't recover now.